No, there are large populations of blacks in coastal louisiana because the French planters brought them there. Not to mention when New Orleans became a part of the US it was a port of entry for wholesale human cargo, as was Charleston SC and Savannah GA. Pick up your history book. Same goes for Texas my friend. Blacks didnt move to major cities (like Oakland, Philly, Baltimore) until WW1 and later WW2. Ask your parents, thats probably when they moved to Levittown from Bed-Stuy.

And as far as achievement gaps come, they have made unbelievable strides. There has never been an Asian candidate for president. It is just a shame that this Wright is trashing that any hopes for 1st black president who is credible and qualified. Not to mention there are large populations of middle class blacks in Atlanta and Chicago.

And unarmed asians arent gunned down by police (be they black cops or white cops), and Al Sharpton is a parody if you ask me. MLK, Malcolm X, DuBois... those are real black leaders, all exterminated or exhiled....

but Jim... at the very least you do acknowledge that the conditions faced by blacks are somewhat unique. We made reparations to Asians and fundamentally, I think the two cultures are different. Black culture has African roots whereas Asian culture is something entirely different. The notion of self help is a conservative American principle that some will find is easier to adopt than others. Not that it is wrong by no means, but its application must be calibrated.

NEWSFLASH-Obama agrees w/ ME
 

a little poetry to soothe the enlightened


OBAMA, OBAMA
When you trashed your grandmama
I thought it pathetic and sad
but now, this is sinister
you've just trashed your minister
the guy loved you like he was your dad

I guess I dont, but I may be ignorant. There are affirmitive action laws, quotas, equal opportunity laws which favor minorities. I truly feel every person has equal opportunity in this country regardless of race. It may mean getting rid of the gang tatoos, cutting your dreadlocks and putting on a suit, but if you want to play the game, thems the rules. EVERY culture in America has morphed into the mainstream in order to succeed. No one wears kilts, wooden shoes, or garlic around their necks where I work.

noone wears garlic around their necks anymore because everyone knows that vampires aren't real......

:kewl::kewl::kewl:

CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama said he is "outraged" by comments his former minister, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, made Monday at the National Press Club and "saddened by the spectacle."


Sen. Barack Obama on Tuesday denounced comments made by the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

1 of 2 "I have been a member of Trinity Church since 1992. I have known Rev. Wright for almost 20 years," he said at a news conference in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. "The person I saw yesterday is not the person I met 20 years ago."

Obama said he is outraged by Wright's remarks that seemed to suggest the U.S. government might be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community, and his equation of some American wartime efforts with terrorism.

"What particularly angered me was his suggestion somehow that my previous denunciation of his remarks were somehow political posturing," said Obama, who added that Wright had shown "little regard for me" and seemed more concerned with "taking center stage."

Affirmative action laws are on the way out. Additionally, the greatest beneficiaries of affirmative action have been women (regardless of race).

There are still things your forgetting. Your culture (and mine) at work and the one you know at home are for the most part 1 and the same. Its not the case for everyone else. Some people live in 2 worlds, the suit and tie world and the chicken and grits worlds. I think were seeing that with Obama. He had his reverend and the southside of Chicago, and the Ivy Leaguers.

And every culture morphing into the "mainstream", thats a little intolerant dont you think. And "success", your going to have to operationalize that for me. Sounds like talking points from some British Immigration official.

oh... and why isnt all of sudden Obama agrees with you, he has trying to distance himself for over a month now to no avail. The media wont let it die just as sure as you will not.

Did you know a Clinton supporter organized and set up the National Press Club conference with Mr Wright. Brilliant political move and the media are picking it to pieces like vultures over a rotting carcass. Clinton is very cunning and exceptionally cutthroat. She is like a political mob boss, and her hands are clean. You guys should think critically, look at the motives behind all of this. This is all calculated.

Mr Wright should have saw this coming, but I think the Obama-Wright bridge has long burned.

I just hope that the next time a catholics runs for office, you think of the innocent altar boys.

to become enlightened, you just have to read. Both sides of the argument too. Objectivity is paramount.

As far bureaucracy and its dependents, tell that to Bear Stearns. The Federal Reserve Bank provided a 28 billion something life vest. Sounds like dependents suffering to me. What did you get, a 500 dollar rebate check. I bet it cost 50 dollars to fill your car wit gas. That'll get you through 10 weeks.

We have mixed economy for a reason Scott. Without regulation, capitalism will degenerate into its cancerous stage. Look at the mortgage industry and energy, heavily deregulated under Pube administrations, the resul; price fixing and monopolies and the like and subsequent market collapse. Your being bamboozled. If I drink red kool aid, your drinking something thick and brown and its is not Mocha.

must be great to be enlightened and know it all, the Press Club claims that it was not a Clinton operative that set it up, and I'm sure you'll applaud Clinton for any tactics that she uses against the repubs. , so you're saying poor ole' Obama is just an innocent victim of a devious plot?? that's the problem with you enlightened individuals, you way overthink things, did Hillary's operative write the Rev's speech too, I think they were exactly the same things he's been saying all along, just looped over and over like he says, Obama has been defending him for weeks and suddenly he's gone too far saying exactly what he's always said???...pretty funny, oh, well...high 5's all around at Clinton headquarters, Bill's lighting up a big fat Monicanudo cigar right about now with visions of naked interns dancing in his head...

[QUOTE=EarnedStripes44;586033]to become enlightened, you just have to read. Both sides of the argument too. Objectivity is paramount.

I just read that again, that is great because I thought maybe there was some ceremony or something, virgin sacrafice, out of body experience, trip to the desert...it's that simple huh? I'm in, guess I'll have to learn to read though :cheers:

wait a minute.....you aren't suggesting that you are in any way objective, are you 44? Cause, you've written a whole lot and I don't see you grasping both sides of anything:jester:

Obama denounced the Rev and his hate filled lunacy today. Time for the old but,but, but Bush routine isn't it?

Somebody got to Rev Wright....could have been anybody. Between the people who think Obama could beat McCain but not Cinton, to the Clinton supporters, or the Clinton's via an agent, to all the people who don't want to see a black president - it's a big list.

nuff said, next stop Bill Ayers
 

April 29, 2008
No, It's Not All Wright
Marc Sheppard

"Last go round, the media and other apologists insisted we were overreacting to out of context "snippets," misrepresentative of Jeremiah Wright's 30 years of preaching. Yesterday's disgraceful showcase at the NPC shredded all such pretext."

"So let the apologists shift gears from contextual excuses to those of megalomania and vindictiveness as they continue to shield their beloved candidate"

Sorry, I'm on the road all week and just can't afford the time to keep stringing Scott along :hihi:

But this seems to be a fundamendal issue here. Some (and not a Liberal some mind you) are more willing than others to realize the world can't be seen in black and white terms.

Our economy is not a "free market" but rather a "regulated market". Wealth redistribution isn't a Liberal evil but rather a necessity that's supported the middle class for over half a century via a progressive tax system and formed the structure for a consumer driven society.

It's like the pundits have whipped people into a frenzy where by anything not focused on some Conservative or Liberal "brand ideal" can't be a good thing because it's not on the critical path to nirvanna, all the time knowing themselves that their mantras are the result of ego and advertisement revenues rather than pragmatic and learned thought. While there may be wisdom in their words, it's not a playbook for life and certianly not something you could base a successful society around alone.

Any good engineer knows you make something better by taking it to the extreme to see where it breaks, and as such there are really no conservative or liberal ideas that would work in their pure forms.

Yet our leadership, to appease a base, pretends to behave as thought this is true to serve not you or me but ultimately the corporate machine.

Enlightenment is a relative term and in this information age it can be difficult to know how good your data is, but I'd still rather take some enlightenment over none.

The simple fact is, making the effort to understand or even appreciate a viewpoint that's not your own is a very liberal thing, and a very good thing. In some cases it might help you know your enemy, and in others it may give you better appreciation for another perspective on life.

God forbid it indicates your %$%$%$%$ does indeed stink. If so perhaps you should listen to your body and change your diet.

-spence

The thing about Wright is that when he states and amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS, when he suggests Minister Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st centuries, when he equates the United State's wartime efforts with terrorism, there are no excuses. I dont need to hear any more or research his sermons to decide I dont like the guy.

when all else fails...dazzle them with arrogant condecension:sleeps:

enlightenment= narciscistic delusion :musc:

black/white right/wrong truth/lies
I perfer absolutes, :angel:

Also, to put some closure on the Obama thing.

Note that he did not immediately panic and throw the reverend under the bus. That, I do respect. He distanced himself and severed ties only now that the reverend is playing into the hands of the foes that insist on distracting us with Bubbleyum rather than provide the political sustenance we need in order choose which candidate to support. Rather than not support Obama because of vague proposals, people will not support Obame because of soundbytes.

This is by no means a smoking gun but rather for those who are so quick to reject the possibility that this Press Club conference is a just another function of Clinton political calculus, please refer to the link below:

Clinton, is slick. No doubt about it. She keeps daggers not broad swords.

That's pretty clear. So does President Bush, and look were it's taking this country of ours.

And I think you just reinforced my point.

-spence

Scott W, I like the cut of your jib!

:D Thank you.

For what you threat squatter? Add some substance will ya.

-spence

Threat squatter? I like that. So where are you now, Reverend defense mode or in agreement with BHO on the Rev? Keep in mind you can't be both.

Spence can be whatever he wants to be, shades of gray, allows you to excuse/ support nearly anything an any time, moral relativity, facts don't matter it's only the Spirt of the Intent, whatever best suits his argument at any given moment.....allows you to support Marxist principles despite the failures that they've produced through the last century...probably got him through 8 years of Clinton, now the ship is sinking and he's clinging to the side, claiming it wasn't an iceberg at all, just an unusually large swell... MAN OVEBOARD!!:rotf3:

Yes, and you don't determine my position either :bshake:

Never been defending the Rev, just pragmatic principals.

-spence