The Dem party is no further to the left than it was under Clinton. You're just regurgitating talking points meant to associate anti-Bush rhetoric with the mainstream. Rhetoric that's shared in a less virul way by many if not most independent voters as it's rooted in very real incompetent and corrupt policy decisions.

"One party" huh?

This assertion, which I might add seems to be the bedrock of your entire argument is simply just wrong.

Both parties behave in a manner that inflates the size of government, but only one party is honest about it. The Republicans who have controled the House and Executive Office for the good part of the last 14 years have done little to seek guidance from the founding fathers and instead have made corporations dependent on the teets government, all in the name of shareholder value. The net is a middle class subsidizing 100 Million dollar paydays for the priveleged few.


What a hypocritical thing to say. Go read your own posts and reevaulate this statement.

By your definition I'd thankfully add FDR to the list.

-spence

I enjoyed it too.....but I'm done. I'm going back to my lurkdom. :wave:

Then why did YOU bring up party affiliation....that is where I've been going with this. You made a statement that, in your own words was "Black and White" Democrats Support Marxist ideas.

I'm just looking to see if there is any "Gray Area" here....obviously there is

There certianly is gray, ScottW just has a massive rounding error in his math.

Take for example Tammy Duckworth, a major in the National Guard who left both her legs in Iraq only to return home and run as a Democrat for the US House.

What was she fighting for?

-spence

You just have to love freedom of speech and freedom of press. It's as American as you can get.

It allows a windbag to denounce anyone who does not share the same point of view as dumber, a marxist, a fascist, whatever you want to categorize people as.

Even moreso, it allows he who shouts loudest, more often, or uses bigger vocabulary to proclaim himself the victor. Hip-hip-huzzah!

Political debates are similar to religious debates. No matter what is said or done, there is ZERO chance that the opposing party will change their point of view.

Who am I? Why am I here? I guess I was somewhat offended by being called UnAmerican and Unpatriotic. Being called dumber, never bothered me. i'm used to it.

I'm going back to looking for tips and amusement.

I disagree, thoughful debate will always get me to re-think my stance on any issue.

"For me it's simple..black and white some would say, I consider anyone who demonstrates a political ideaology that more closely resembles Marx and Mao than that of Madison and Adams to be at their core Unpatriotic and Anti-American

one of our two predominant parties is run and funded by folks that would love to shove Marxism down our throats and fundamentally change this country, they'd prefer to rip up our founding documents and create their own new and improved version of the Communist Manifesto, this time it will work because it will be better funded and smarter, more "ENLIGHTENED" folks will be implementing it .."

OK Dad, there they are, I was pretty clear in the first paragraph...Marx/Mao

second...party run and funded(I'm adding this because I clarified later- George Soros et.al) by folks who would love to shove Marxism...

never said all dem's are Marxists...got it? still love ya...

Spence, I think Joe Lienerman might strongly disagree that the party has now swerved way left...

look, this is a political forum right? it would be kinda boring if we all agreed on everyhting and the Enlightened among us wouldn't get to excercise the muscle of their giant brains by pummeling a know- nothing like me into submission right? think of me as your personal trainer for your brain...I feel bad for some of you with all of that anger and frustration built up inside, didn't take much to poke the volcano..

I've stated that I believe that Marxism and the slavery to a government that it requires is baaaaaaad....

I believe that the massive expansion of the government nanny state being promised by both dem candidates has it's roots in Marxist theory...

I believe that this is in direct opposition to the principles that this country was founded on and by that standard unpatriotic and un-American..

call me what you will, does that really sound that radical?

Considering your inability to regard the middle, where most Americans would position themselves, as having a legitimate claim to the substance of America...

Yes.

-spence

"We all declare for liberty; but in using the same word we do not all mean the same thing. With some the word liberty may mean for each man to do as he pleases with himself, and the product of his labor; while with others, the same word may mean for some men to do as they please with other men, and the product of other men's labor. Here are two, not only different, but incompatible things, called by the same name - liberty. And it follows that each of the things is, by the respective parties, called by two different and incompatible names - liberty and tyranny." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VII, "Address at Sanitary Fair, Baltimore, Maryland" (April 18, 1864), p. 301-302.

Spence, are you claiming the middle?