So someone took some creative license to wake people up with a gory story. We have to listen to enough BS about people being blown up in markets in Baghdad.

Certainly wouldn't have to worry about the eradication of groundfish on Stellwagon now would we?

then I feel sorry for you and your low opinion of the human race.



Those groups ought to expect some sarcastic comments when they publish an article talking about an autopsy or necropsy or whatever it was about a frikking small bird when it was found in a footprint dead, obviously it is gonna have some broken bones etc. :rollem:
Naturally fishermen are going to make comments when they're frustrated by constant removal of access to the water. Maybe some of these members making comments actually do get involved to try and gain access in issues like beaches etc., I doubt anyone here would stomp on a plover nest on purpose.

Hey, Easy on the Sailors....

Do I see a memorial plaque or better yet how's bout a bench with the little tikes name?

#1 Wrong.Your choice is to listen and watch!

#2 All depends who you are and what your relation to it is.I'd be more interested in that than I would a squished plover story.

Why? You like hearing about innocent people dying for stupid reasons?

I was talking about the groundfish problem.If you are too then you lost me ?

The problem is when this happens they shut everything down...it is a PIA! I heard Last week a yahoo ran over a protective cage and now they shut the beach down at night.

These birds are a nightmare IMO. The whole world revolves around them.

Thats called "problem solved".

If people can't play nice and stay on their side of the line then its everyone to their corners.

Obviously people need to be treated like 5 year olds or sooner or later someone is going to screw it up for everyone.

Kill the plovers, save the seals :bl:

Ask any experienced ranger how they used to handle things back in the day, I have and here is the response.

If the birds were in an area near heavy truck or human traffic, they walk over with a shovel, scoop up the eggs and move them to a safer more out of the way location. No abandonment by momma and poppa birdies, birds were safer, beaches were not closed, happiness all around.

Sadly, in this day and age the common sense approach is illegal.

And the only reason that this isn't happening now is the birders are stopping it. common sense is not in there agenda

Have you ever tried to put a baby robin back in its nest?

The parents something like 75% to 90% of the time abandon it after its been tampered with. Same thing with plovers and the eggs/chicks.

They should move them all to one place and lock it down tight.
Maybe they would return to that same place every year.
I think that the Plover has been given more than a fair chance to increase in numbers.
If they weren't made such a big deal of nobody would even give them a seconds thought.
I think they would do just fine with a few signs on the beach that say watch out for Plovers.
Things now are beyond extreme and slightly rediculous.
I can't believe they made such a big deal out of one dead chick.

imho , what will happen the squished bird will wind up as the martyr for the audobon cause ;to shut the beaches down completely ..that is what happened at hatteras . the only bird that was ever run over was run over by the park service !! but the pic is plastered all over as just a dead chic in tire tracks !!
the truth doesn't matter to those folks

We're working on THAT as hard as we can. Gaining on D-Day, too.

My money is on the Birdwatcher with the wafflestomper. Walking and gawking and never looking down. Could just have well stepped into a bear trap.

whether you would actually do something to ones of these birds or not is one thing but to openly post about squishing them gives onlookers a preconceived notion that fishermen are plover haters/killers.....

Perhaps if we were all a bit more responsible with our words we wouldnt get quite the bad rap we do!

Why is it all or nothing with the enviros. There must be a better solution. Last year at Duxbury beach. They kept the beach access limited until Sept. When asked about it a friend in HM's office said they wanted to keep the college kids working until they went back to school. Long beach was open as was others.

I agree that we fisherman are painted in a bad light when it comes to protecting birds. People need to realize that fishermen are on probably the first on the beach to spot a potential problem. Most fisherman are true stewards of the ocean. Like the rest of the population 10% give us a bad name.

Likwid, try giving some solutions instead of screaming "everyone into their corners" no more beach for you. I wish they would put this much effort and energy into feeding or employing the poor.

In mean time, I have put a call into Quincy MD, He is sending his boy, Sam to investigate.

Plovers are a PIA but they are cool birds that deserve some protection. Sure, i drop the "plovers, the other white meat" and other gems on occasions when talking to fishermen, and even people that are very much involved in birding. Its all in jest, like a lot of comments on this site. I cant see anyone on this site delibretly killing a plover. The problem with the plover issue and any other issue that brings passion is there is very little rational discussions/actions between the parties. Just like politics, which this is afterall, people go to the extremes.

You guys REALLY think the Bird conservation people actively read this forum ?

I don't believe anyone here , dispite the macho retoric , would intentionally hurt one of these birds. As soon as I read it I thought someone went into the area to take a leak , probably in the dark , and stepped on the poor bird. I'm not saying that excuses the excursion into the protected area but I am saying I do not think anyone here would really kill a plover intentionally , even if they do blame them for beach area closures.