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Joe 08-25-2008 08:06 PM

Problem is, most Americans view themselves as being potential victims of people like Mr. Romney rather than find him admirable. They are afraid some guy with nice hair will head up a consortium, buy the place they work, and sh-t can them.
It's a matter of food-chain perspective: If you get the Wall St Journal, you're a professional, and you're making big bucks, he's admirable. If you lost your manufacturing job in Ohio or Pennsylvania and you've been out of work ever since - you see him as a snake.
More people admire someone who would pass up a fast-track career in business and work in outreach programs.

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Backbeach Jake (Post 614839)
After the Past 8 years I'd vote for the Three Stooges. We need a change in the way this Country handles it's self and we need it now. We aren't the superpower we think we are and the whole worle knows it. If we keep up with the bluster and BS we're gonna get a smackdown royal. Russia just laughed in our faces this month. They know. New orleans sank like Atlantis, I think that was noticed aroud the globe. We have some serious work to do to regain our stature and trust on this planet. And that means a better way of doing business. I hear only one POSITIVE voice out there, saying YES we CAN.. My 2 cents..

so tiring,,,,Katrina
Democratic Mayor, Democratic Governor........oh wait! Its a woman and a black man! Can't blame them.......Bush Sucks! Bush Sucks! Give it a rest and don't follow the media hype.

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail (Post 614865)
Churchill was wise beyond his years and why he was put out of office as soon as the war was over I will never understand. I have several books in my modest library of his words, letters and writings, one of the most poignant was when he was told at just after 8 in the evening of December 7th, 1941 that the Japanese had bombed Pearl Harbor, he went to bed and slept peacefully the whole night through, which he had not done since September 1939, knowing that the United States was now going to be declaring war on Japan and thus through the axis, Germany and by doing so England would now never be invaded and ultimately, with the United States help, the Alllied Powers would win the war.

The BS of history FLap! Germany had NO sizable Navy, no ports to launch a large scale invasion on England, no way to transport troops to England and NO plans to build any. England was never in danger of German invasion. the air battle of Britian was purely to break the spirits of the British people and get them out of the war. Germany did not want a war with Biritan or the US.There would never have been a world war if England had not guaranteed Poland, whihc empowered the Poles to not negotoate with Hitler over Danzig and the Polish Corridor. We are only taught in school one side of the story

spence 08-26-2008 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 614858)
Yes! We can! :jump1: :bounce::yak6:

Do you think change is necessary?

-spence

Joe 08-26-2008 08:53 AM

Der Fuher saw the English people as Aryans, it's all there in Mein Kampf, man.

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Joe (Post 614967)
Der Fuher saw the English people as Aryans, it's all there in Mein Kampf, man.

true. Hitler was after the Russians. How awesome would it have been for the "good" guys if Hitler and Stalin destroyed each other for a few years?

Nebe 08-26-2008 09:11 AM

yeah.. that would have been awesome... Millions of more..... DEAD..

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 614970)
yeah.. that would have been awesome... Millions of more..... DEAD..

wrong.
Hitler did fight Stalin. Russia did 20X more to defeat Germany WHat it would have avoided is France, England, India, Australia,Canada and the US involvemnet in the War.
Nebe, everyone says the good guys won World War II. The reason is, no one asks Poland, The Balkans, Czeckoslavakia, etc. They were free countries prior to WWII, post WWII they were under the iron curtain where the horrors of Hitler were still practiced in secret. Stalin was just as bad as Hitler. Post WWII, Stalin gained more land than anyone. So who won?
The point is WWII costs the lives of 55 million people. Was it all just to defeat Hitler? Makes no sense. It was because of bad moves by England and France which created a path to a World War.
To Flap point above, Churchill could sleep easy once teh US joined teh War, same deal as WWI. Once we joined, Gremany knew there was NO way they could win, so what happened next. The Final Solution - extermination of teh Jews. Hitlers strategy was initially to drive the Jews out, but after the US joined, in desperation, we had the Holocasut. Its not to far fetched to say the Holocaust could have been avoided if England stayed out of the War. Food for thought

stripersnipr 08-26-2008 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 614949)
Do you think change is necessary?

-spence

Change to what, from what?

One thing I know for certain is I will never, ever seek "inspiration" from a politician.

Bronko 08-26-2008 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by stripersnipr (Post 614992)
Change to what, from what?

One thing I know for certain is I will never, ever seek "inspiration" from a politician.

They don't care. They just want change, be it blind, reckless, uniformed, experimental....

spence 08-26-2008 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronko (Post 614994)
They don't care. They just want change, be it blind, reckless, uniformed, experimental....

I think that's exactly the point...

The leading conservative voices have become so focused on hating progressive policy that they have convinced themselves that the present trajectory of the USA is sound.

Any big picture problems that may ultimately require a Government backed long-term solution (and regulation) are instantly labeled "non-issues" because they can't reconcile reality with their idiology.

Instead, the "free market" is tasked with solving global challenges...and in return we get solutions to problems that are singularly focused on delivering short-term shareholder value.

This planet has big problems in terms of energy, climate and natural resources. Business as usual is very likely going to mean the death of the American dream this century, unless things change.

So before you identify the right change, you first must accept that things do indeed need to change.

Otherwise you're just going to spin your wheels.

-spence

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 12:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTxMsWa9nNQ

spence 08-26-2008 12:52 PM

A Senate Bill to recognize that the Surge has "worked".

I know the Dems have done similarly dumb things, but this is really stupid.

-spence

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 01:13 PM

I think its just a ploy to corner Obama.

spence 08-26-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 615025)
I think its just a ploy to corner Obama.

Ummm, duh :huh:

-spence

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 02:39 PM

just saying.....jeez

spence 08-26-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 615059)
just saying.....jeez

You'll get no quarter from me bub :hihi:

Next we'll see a Senate resolution stating that "We have respect and honor for our fallen troops, and that the Iraq war was a brilliantly executed and fantastic idea and George Bush is wonderful".

-spence

RIJIMMY 08-26-2008 03:03 PM

now now, this ad was to benefit your guy.
Bush is past history


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