I think #'s 4 and 5 will be the most important. My expectation is that she's bright and quick and this will help her hold her own. Expectations for Bush were low and he was able to stumble through, even though Kerry killed him in all three.

But I really can't see her chewing Biden up, and I think he's a better speaker than you're giving him credit for.

Time will tell...

-spence

Yea, amazing that the people who voted her into office, in a very red state, would support her as VP :soon:

-spence

Haven't been in here for a while because I haven't been overly excited about my Republican Party's actions the past couple years...:jester:

But picking Sarah Palin is a Home Run!! on all fronts. Too many positives to list here. Just a great pick...

I already thought that the almighty chosen one Obama could not win the electoral college in November - but I think picking VP Palin really puts it over the edge.

You can see it already that since about 11:00AM today the mighty Obama's speech from atop his tower last night has already been wiped out of the headlines by Palin. It's amazing the amount of positive energy this pick of Palin has generated in 12 hours.

And remember one thing about Biden. As quick/sharp as he may be his main "trait" is his annoying condescending and arrogant tone in his comments. He pulls that stuff against Sarah Palin in a debate and he'll immediately be cast as the evil ogre attacking the lovely VP female candidate... Remember Gore rolling his eyes...that went over really well.

Here is a better one.

I think this could cut both ways, sure he could be seen as a bully...on the other hand many voters would see her as not up to the fight.

Because she's an attractive woman people may apply a higher standard.

-spence

Nah - the only ones who would have that opinion are the liberal elites already in Obama's camp. The centrist soccer-mom types and conservaties would take offense to Biden for that. Of course those same liberals who would take Biden's side against Palin would be the same to attack a Republican for doing the same to Hillary Clinton if the roles were reversed...

I think you're trying a little too hard to spin like a pundit here :bshake:

Hillary is a battle axe, I don't buy the notion that you have to give her a pass for being a woman.

Palin is being sold as if she's a Repub cut from the same stuff. If so she'll have to earn her respect or be made a fool. My guess is that she's got some substance, but people are paying a lot more attention this time round.

-spence

We need one with gurry on her glasses

Just watched part of the CNBC exclusive, she is actually very articulate. Don't know how much was setup but it was indeed an enlightening show.

NECN had PUMPAC.ORG leaning her way, their postion was that Hillary was denied the bid by election gerrymandering.

Me thinks the same, . This move does take the wind out of DNC. My vote remains with McCain, I gots to shut up and listen more ...

as a side note, I am happy that Jay Severin didn't get his boy Mitt :devil2:

Hey I'm a lifelong hunter and fisherman too and I don't know much about this woman yet; but so far I've read....creationist, believes global warming is a hoax, against a womans right to choose, not a hint of foreign policy experience, a short time removed from being Mayor of thriving "podunk" Alaska.... I'm jaded here..I work for local government ;-( ..., being investigated by special counsel in her own state for abuse of power...this certainly doesn't get any of the "Hillary" vote...and I dont care if she was pulling pots on "Deadliest Catch" and looks like J Lo, it sure as heck won't get mine either.

Spence - noone spins more than you...:wave: And you're giving the average citizen way too much credit. You'll see - as soon as Biden pulls his arrogant crap with her it'll backfire.

And by the way - I firmly believe she is capable of going toe to toe with Biden - which she'll do hands down.

The approval rating is for her job as Governor and has nothing to do with the vice presidency. Try to keep up.

Sokinwet's got it right. :D

Let's call it the Gina Davis syndrome.
..and yep this is gonna get very interesting. She's gonna have to walk a very fine line, just being a woman. Wimp on one side, beyotch on the other. Sportsmen of a lesser IQ are gonna think that she's one of them. If the Rebuplican Party is endorsing her, especially McCain, then she's for more of the same. No thanks.

correct me if I am wrong, but was it not Mccain who played adds asking something to the efffect of 'who do you want to answer the phone at 3 AM when there is a problem'... I can not see how she is a good choice as 2nd in command, but good god, look at who is in the chair now :devil:..... hmmmm..... :huh:

What makes BHO better suited to answer that call?

That ad with the phonecall in the night was Hillary Clinton's - it was meant to highlight her experience over Obama's

Here is something I think a lot of people will relate to. She has been there and can relate to middle class America. Some how I can't see Obama or Biden like this unless the photo were staged.

So, I'm not quite the hippy that Eben is, but I agree with Sokinwet as well..

Palin:
Creationist (Seriously?)
believes global warming is a hoax
against a woman's right to choose


That there is far enough for me.
I don't care if she was the supreme ruler of Mars before hand. Leadership experience doesn't make up for the the fact that she is an uber-rightwinger.

Add on.
has been governor for less than two years
no foreign-policy experience

I think McCain had to go way right or towards the center with his pick. He went for the way right.
I'll always say, I like McCain, I respect McCain, I just disagree with his politics way too much to ever support him.


One quote I read on slate.com (I usually don't like 'opinions' from sites like that, bu I still read it, along with the WSJ)
"If Sara Palin is ready to be commander in chief, then so is Barack Obama"

LOL, Only problem with this analogy is Palin is in the running for VP, not Pres.

I like the pick. If you see the response from the Obama camp they are stumped on what to do. If they attack her as a women, then Hillary's pissed. She has more executive expeirence them Obama. We will see what she has in her closet but even the leftest media will have to treat her with kid gloves. But here's the thing.. she doesn't appear to need special treatment. She's going to be very tough to knock off her game. And she's a refreshing change from the BS that we see day to day in Washington. I say it's over for Obama not McCain. Check and Mate

Equal rights equal fights.
Bring it on her.
Who the hell cares about Hillary? She's not the candidate.

"Oh the Hillary voters oh the Hillary voters." You mean the "woman president" voters. Eff em. They're too goddamn stupid to look at the issues and would vote for the communist party if it were running a female candidate.

Palin is pro pebble mine. Supports Bristol Bay? My a@#$.
Open pit mining is a death sentence for that watershed.

Palin is pro life? Nice, keep pandering to the right and the church and telling women what they can do with their body.

More experience than Obama? At what? Abusing her power you'd be dead on. (Check out why she's being investigated RIGHT NOW.)

She bows to the commercial fishermen crying about quotas. They want free range to kill as much as they want. Thats NOT what the majority wants. Just look at what the comms have done to Georges Bank. Thats what her husband and the few want. Greed vs conservation.

I honestly don't care at the moment about foreign policy considering we're running an epic debt in this country.
Bomb the living hell out of Botswana for all I care, just stop using my money to do it.

I'd agree that her down to earth image will resonate with the middle class, especially the Ted Nugent faction of the Republican Party :hihi:

But she's going to have to tread very lightly on social conservative and environmental issues. I think the average person believes global warming is happening and believes in the separation of church and state. Sure it will rev up the base, but also turn off the independent voters who are the key to this election. To independent voters, a strong religious rejection of gay rights for instance, is a turn off. Doesn't mean you have to support gay marriage, but it makes them look mean and hypocritical. (no offense Joe)

It also presents a pickle for McCain who's traditionally been moderate on the environment. Environmental issues are going to be a big topic this fall, and he can't be running around saying we need to protect while she's at the GOP underground events preaching denial to the flock.

-spence

Good time to lay some money down on McCain - before the odds change and he becomes the favorite.
Vegas has Obama at 1-2 ($100 bet will get you $50) and McCain at 3-2 ($100 bet will get you $150)

So if Obama is about CHANGE.... Tell me how Biden brings this to Obama's ticket ? 30 years in DC is not change.....

Obama seems to think he is above everybody. Hopefully his elitist attitude will sink him.

Obama messed up in not taking the "old battle ax"as a running mate. I think his ego wouldn't allow it though. Biden will fit in in that aspect though as he thinks he is somewhat elite as well.

Simple, to CHANGE you need someone close to you who understands how every facet of government works...that's Joe Biden.

While #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney did attempt to make the Executive Branch have devine status, the fact remains that there are three branches for a reason.

-spence

Snips and siding! Damn you sold me! She's so middle class America it hurts. I concede.


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Oops.

I think the enviroment issues will take a back seat to more pressing issues ie; Iraq, health care, and #1....the economy.

LOL, you forgot the silver spoon.......

The environment (global warming, shortage of natural resources) is the biggest long-term challenge to the economy, and everything else falls out of that...

My guess is that at a time where this country (the world really) is entering a new era, the GOP will smother this election in the Abortion debate and the pot with the frog will get turned up a few more degrees.

-spence

WTF?

-spence

Who cares? Not like anyone in politics are self made anymore.
Either grow up with money or marry into money. Its a moot point really.

Hell most people voting Republican don't even make enough money to benefit from being a Republican. There's irony in there somewhere.

And the rumor machine is full speed ahead.
Kid #5 supposedly is her 16 year old daughters, not hers.

And she's into spending.
Bridge to nowhere.
Open pit mining (interestingly enough Ted Stevens was AGAINST it.)

What I find really odd is that McCain would pick someone he didn't even know. It's reported that he only met her once in Feb of this year.

Wouldn't you want a VP who you knew and trusted?

Doesn't make any sense to me. The fact that she's open to teaching Creationisim in schools is frightening.

Here's a quote I love:

So because she's pro-life she'll rationalize that her baby with Downs is just as normal as we are, yet a gay person, who God made differently as well, is somehow less deserving of such equality?

What a hypocrite.

-spence

I hear no gloves and nail polish is popular amongst the comm crowd.

Just as an FYI---not that I buy into either one, but there's a huge difference between "Intelligent Design"--which is what Palin stated she thought should be taught along with evolution in schools---and "Creationism".

One accepts the fact that the universe is billions of years old and that humans evolved from other species, and the other claims that the universe is 6000-odd years old and was created in 6 days.

I'm not sure with Biden's ambitions, he isn't hoping for a well placed bullet! I wouldn't trust him if I were Obama.

All you critics need to read some more about her for yourselves and stop reading secondhand stuff from anti-conservatives.

From what I read:

- yeah she is against gay-marriage (as many centrists are as well as conservatives) - but she is in favor of and has granted/passed gay equality/benefits rights as domestic partners. Just not the actual marriage part.

- she may not believe in 100% man-made doom & gloom Al Gore type global warming that will end the world in 50 years - but she has supported & formed a committee to address "climate change" in Alaska, she worked to pass the large natural gas pipeline in Alaska to address our oil-dependency, and she took on the large oil companies in Alaska as well.

And say what you will, pro-life & creationism in my book are important qualities.

The Alaska Supreme Court ruled on the issue and there was nothing she could do about it. That doesn't imply an endorsemnt if you ask me...

Elected officials can't defy the court when it comes to how rights are applied, she said, but she would support a ballot question that would deny benefits to homosexual couples.

"I believe that honoring the family structure is that important," Palin said.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/ele...-7942233c.html

No, she's on record stating many times that she doesn't believe global warming to be man made. This puts her on the extreme right of this position, and opposite science.

Worse yet, the Al Gore style doom and gloom is becoming more mainstream among the scientific community every day.

From what I've read, her actions with the oil industry appear to be commendable.

-spence

I knew you would get the silver spoon comment. Just suprised Spence missed it.:devil2:

On the Republican issue; I for one do not stand by any party lines. I do believe in voting for the man (or woman for you politically correct types).

Obama's worst trait to me is his ability to talk out of "both sides of his mouth". This is very apparent with his stance on 2A...... That sinks him for me.

If we could get a candidate who would take on DC and its "pork barrel spending" we would be better off. Maybe if we limited terms on senators and such something could happen, but that is for another day.

Not sure what you meant by it :huh:

-spence