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EarnedStripes44 10-08-2008 04:06 PM

Pop, that was good piece on guilt by association.

RIJIMMY 10-08-2008 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 627295)
So now "bank robber" = "terrorist"? You're really out there on this one.

Granted I wasn't old enough to see it first hand, but the Vietnam war certianly did seem to bring out the worst in a lot of people. Doesn't mean you aren't responsible for your actions, but it sounds like eventually people were.

Reminds me of the story some years ago about some relious wacko's burning rock music. The pastor holds up a copy of "Demons and Wizards" (Uriah Heep baby) as an example of how evil it is.

If he bothered to actually listen to the song, he'd know it was about a demon who met a wizard in the woods who turned him to do good for the world.

Old LP's have a very low melting point.

-spence

where did I call anyone a terrorist????

spence 10-08-2008 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 627283)
On Sept. 23, 1970, BPD Officer Walter Schroeder was gunned down outside a Brighton bank that had just been robbed by five members of the Weather Underground. One of the terrorists opened fire on the cop.

In the post you quoted.

-spence

Nebe 10-08-2008 04:29 PM

just so we are all on the same page here. Dont think that terrorist means a radical muslim who is fighting for the rights of his fellow man.

All of these laws that have been put into place to make it easy to spy on terrorists can be used on you and me. terrorist is a very loose term. For example if I started handing out flyers and started rallying people to obstruct the powers of this country, I would be a terrorist. So my friends... as McCain loves to say.. there is no way out of the %$%$%$%$fest that this country may be in in say 5 or 10 years.. any form of revolution will be called a terrorist uprising.

just wait. A total economic colapse will certianly create tons of 'terrorists'

1984 anyone?

gone fishin 10-08-2008 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 627290)
Guilt by Association
By David Knowles
Oct 7th 2008 9:27AM

In philosophical parlance, it is known as the "Bad Company Fallacy." Guilt-by-association posits that if you befriend someone who has questionable beliefs, then, by definition, you too have questionable beliefs.

This "company you keep" critique has been a running theme in this year's race for the White House, and it exploded this week when Sarah Palin and John McCain decided to try refocus Barack Obama's associations with William Ayers and Jeremiah Wright into a central theme of their campaign.

Obama has fired back with McCain's involvement in the Keating 5 scandal, and, in terms of questionable religious affiliations, we watched the rise and fall of one-time spiritual adviser John Hagee.

McCain was forced to denounce Hagee, and Obama was forced to exit Trinity. McCain has called his role in the Savings and Loan scandal his ethical "asterisk," Obama has repudiated the Weathermen. Obama has called his housing deal with Tony Rezko a "bone headed" move. And McCain has been desperately trying to distance himself from President Bush. And so it goes.

On the Veep front, we've seen the video of warding off witches at Sarah Palin's Pentecostal church, and learned of Todd Palin's affiliation with the secessionist Alaska Independence Party. Joe Biden's son, we now know, was a lobbyist.Further on down the list, we have the people who work for the respective campaigns. Rick Davis, McCain's campaign manager, runs a lobbying firm that did well by Fannie and Freddie over the past few years. Obama briefly had a guy who was on his VP search committee who was Fannie Mae's chief executive.

As we tread through this thicket of sticky burs, it's hard not to notice that amid all the one-upmanship there's a whole lot of "do as I say, not as I do" going on with these people. The double standards are so prevalent that each campaign seems more intent on screaming "He did it, too!" rather than examining its own motives. They compile lists of the other guy's wrongs, as if whoever has the biggest number of questionable affiliations at the end of the day will automatically be declared the loser.

Well, I would suggest to you that guilt by association is not a good metric for picking a president. Instead, let's try to focus on voting records and policy proposals. I know that's a whole lot less splashy, in a tabloid sense of the word, than concocting a scandal du jour. It may not get the blood boiling like all the imagined conversations between our candidates and their tainted associates. But maybe, just maybe, it's a more sensible way to go.

Well written - thanks for posting this Kevin.

justplugit 10-08-2008 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 627207)

And Justplugit, it's not about smothering with BS. Rather the product of his work is a good indication as to his state of mind. I see a person focused on teaching and social issues, not a rabbid terrorist.

-spence

Sorry Spence, looked like i missed out on some good dicussions by goin fishin. :)

I would have to read his books or attend one of his courses to find out WHAT he is teaching to come to a conclusion as to his state of mind. :)

RIJIMMY 10-09-2008 03:28 PM

might not agree or like it, but this is a damn effective political ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMCl49x8BfY

mekcotuit 10-09-2008 03:35 PM

McCain has a link to William Ayers also:

"This morning John McCain put out a list of 100 former ambassadors who are supporting his campaign. Number two is Leonore Annenberg, the wife of Ambassador William Annenberg, the founder of the Annenberg Institute of Reform, which funded the Annenberg Challenge, which once had two famous board members: former "domestic terrorist" William Ayers and Sen. Barack Obama.

So either we should all be outraged that John McCain is supported by a family who funded a foundation that hired a domestic terrorist, or this whole William Ayers thing is just plain silly. I choose the latter.

The Annenbergs, if you don't know, are a famous American publishing family, very Republican going back generations. They got their start in newspapers in the days when big cities had a dozen or 15 competing dailies and papers literally hired thugs to rough up and occasionally kill corner newsboys so as to claim space on more profitable street corners."


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