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fishbones 11-06-2008 01:30 PM

I don't fault any one person for events that happen in this country. To do so would be letting too many people off the hook. Clinton and Bush both surrounded themselves with people to help them assess threats and clearly some of these people were wrong. Presidents can only act on information and advice that is given to them by others. They can't read reports on every piece of international intelligence that is gathered by their people.

wader-dad 11-06-2008 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 635588)
Wow, that would have to be one heck of a "small business" to be in the top 1%. Do you think landscapers, liquor store owners, contractors, etc...fall into that 1% catergory? The taxes for real small businesses are still an impediment to many small business owners. Also, you are leaving out things like unemployment taxes, real estate taxes, and payroll taxes. Maybe it's not too bad in CT, but in RI it's almost impossible to own and operate a small business profitably.

Fishbones- sorry- I was responding to Sandman here and on another thread where we were going back and forth on what affect the Obama plan would have on taxes and I had pointed out that the plan would only hit the rich on their income-(salaries and bonuses and dividends and capital gains) and they would still be interested in being rich and making money even if the top rates went back to the clinton era. He said it was unfair that the top 1% richest taxpayers were paying 40% of the total tax.

As I understand the Obama plan-the tax rate on salaries over $250,000 would go up- As to small businesses- I agree with you that the cost of doing business is incredibly high- but Obama's tax plan does not make that worse-The taxes do not go up on a small business until Joe the Plumber has a good enough year that he has enough profit (after paying all expenses and materials and benefits and payroll taxes) to be able to pay himself $250,000 in salary and bonuses free and clear. Then Joe the Plumber on his personal 1040 would pay some more taxes under Obama as compaed to Bush. I think Joe the Plumber would be thrilled to be able to pay himself over $250,000 in bonuses and salary if he could.

EarnedStripes44 11-06-2008 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 635593)
which you wont have to worry about if you have less than an ounce thanks to my vote!

must've been all that time spent in Frisco puffin' on that humboldt shrub

RIROCKHOUND 11-06-2008 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 635585)
Doesnt bother me. I love being labeled by liberals. I've shared my background before, I am not a republican, Im in an inter-racial marriage, little mixed kiddies, lived, by my own choice in San Francisco for 6 years, been to more gay/lesbian weddings than anyone on this board, and (as of today!) I am a succesful leader in the financial industry. I have been more places in this country than your average American and my thoughts and beliefs are my own, not something I get from Rove, Repubs or any talking heads.

BSSB;
You didn't answer Jim's questions... he told you about himself...


And all of the above is why I direct a lot of my responses to Jim.
You tend to get an intelligent response, not rhetoric. Which is needed for good discussion, I disagree with Jim a lot, but still respect the opinions he posts.

ok, enough bon mots.

Liberals rule! :smash:

Nebe 11-06-2008 01:58 PM

Oh.. Congratulations on what ever happened to you today Jim :D


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