the only way I see to resolve this is to not allow posts from commercial plug builders...sponsors or not...hobbyists only forum....
it would be nice to see this forum get back to what is once was..

Well how does that make things better Slingah??!! The people who do pay to be on here are not allowed to post?? Now that would not be right!

Many Hobbyist have taken the step to become commercial builders due to what they have learned on this site.To go back guys like Bernzy and Ryan,I remember Salty's dive into building and even Larry himself..I think to have them sharing their creations would be a great inspiration to the young at heart aspiring builder..
Just think of what could be learned if Metal Lip posted more.He knows lots of what went on as far as th creations of many plugs.I think not allowing commercial builders to post their creations and talk about them is doing the service a great diservice..Those who have chosen to sponsor the site should do so out of their own generosity.They get privileges to sell their wares where others don't.I think thats great.I think it is wrong when they have a problem with those who do not sponsor the site put up a few pics..It really seems so minor to me.The way I see it all of the sponsors can't keep up with the demand as it is already..

It's plug Building plain and simple..Not for nutin I like to see the nicer plugs.I am not enthralled or feel compelled to lie to someone on their first attempts when the look like my ass.Get good then post have some pride.The level needs to be set higher.Guys Like Tagger and Thank God For Numby and his X-rays....They are a great inspiration to make plugs that actually work.Reworking old but true designs.And that Boat guy with the beautiful off center jointeds.Guys who add like Lou.There are so many others..This place is priceless but it could be so much better.
IMO..

BTW I prefer a fogged over wonder bread.I think the soft blend of colors mimics that iridescent hue all baitfish have..

nothing against you guys Larry and I don't think it would be fair either..I'm just saying that is what would stop that reason for fighting...it would take it out of the equation. it seems to me that money is the issue.... someting has to give.

Like my mother always said worry about yourself. So many people are worried about what the other guy is doing. I say mind your own business and if you are bothered by something see a moderator not stick it in here and bore the crap out of the guys who are asking questions and are interested in the actual building of plugs. Maybe we need a commercial builders community forum and a hobby forum. Separate. I really think the ball busting, innuendo, wise ass comments, needs to stop. I have really lost all respect for a few of the guys here by their childish bullsh&%*$t. Grow up and have some fun. I also feel if you have nothing positive to say than keep it to yourself or send a PM. Constructive criticism is different. The world is too full of negative comments. It is just plugs and the talking about plugs. IMO if you don't like it change the channel and be gone. Don't ruin it for the ones who enjoy the banter of plug building.

I should probably just stay out of this but this issue really pushes my buttons. What I think is crazy about this, is #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is saying that because he is a sponsor he has the right to control the content on this forum. It is absolutely ridiculous and it does members here a great disservice, by driving people away who could potentially add a great deal. The other sponsors of this website at least deal with issues in a private manner and and don't deter people from posting. Also, are you so insecure about your own business that you feel the need to attack anyone that sells a plug. It seems you would be much better served spending that time working and improving your own product than bashing others.

Bingo both NIB and Professor! How can we give back if we can't participate?? Also.....Professor nailed it....people in all walks of life need to worry less about what others do and more about themselves!

I could not agree more Larry..

[quote=BigFish;649691]Bingo both NIB and Professor! How can we give back if we can't participate?? [quote]

:agree:
I also think it is up to the members not to solicit plugs In a illicit manner..Especially from guys who don't support the site.Show some respect and have some normal decency..
Or in other words don't be a F'n scumbag..

well i was about to make a long post over this but changed my mind as i dont want this to go any farther than it needs to so with that said he is rite i have no place to post any pics and wont end of story......

the site is all yours salty :grins:

I think this comes down to a familiar problem..Salty seems to take great umbrage with other aspiring plugbuilders.Way to much energy expended on this issue if you ask me.Unfortunately this is a building consensus among fellow surfcasters..From Mass Thur NJ..
I like Salty,I think He's a good guy.Really..He has put a ton of work and money into his company in short time.He builds a good plug for decent money...He's doing all the right things on that front.His plug specials are awesome.Hard to find anything of his quality for the money he sells em off at..
But..there's always a but..
He does seem to go out of his way on some issues and it is becoming a real turnoff...If you ask me, I think it is greatly affecting his sales.Not just my opinion...I think if he tweaked a few designs and worked on his people skills a little, he could very easily be the biggest producer/seller of wooden lures out there.I think the basic structure of his company is that good.It's a shame for him to have some of his ideological differences holding him back..
People reward kindness and remember cruelty.

in case nobody else noticed...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdFXur5OocI

Was that a collective sigh I just heard???:rolleyes:

Wow talk about beating a dead horse :deadhorse:

I disagree the horse needs to be beat every once in a while so something constructive comes out of it and everyone is on the same page and we can go back to having fun and not a soap opera.

I disagree with this statement. He does have a problem with "Guerilla
spammers" and people not paying the manufacturing tax (which hurts us all)

I have seen him give demos to aspiring plug makers at a couple of plugfests. Last year at plugfest he gave anyone his time to show how to make tail loops. He has given away tons of wood to all these newbies to the hobby. Lastly he has contributed to this forum and has been trying to get interest going with trivia questions I have no clue on how to answer.:smash:

Do I agree with his methods?... no... but he gets you fired up and thinking instead of tip toeing around the issue.

Like I said there would be no Guerrilla's in the mist if there where no one to buy em.The blame has to be laid on those who support that type of action as much as it does the spammer.One way would be to disable email references from our profiles.You want a email you have to make a PM, they can be monitored.I know it's a PITA for those who have to deal with it but it is one way around it.
You can also say what you want.I truly believe with his actions he is hurting himself in the long run.
My dad used to say one Oh sh!te wipes out ten attaboys..
It's not my intention to make these statements in detriment to Scott.I am doing this so perhaps he can see the forest from the trees..Mow them down and make lures out of em.I have witnessed him go thru the ranks.He one of the older guys doing this now.I remember when he would spray fix a tif on the painted plugs in effort to make a better bond for his epoxy top coat..

wonderbread
 

as was mentioned, you can do the wonderbread 2 different ways..

http://homelessmanspeaks.files.wordp...onderbread.JPG


or this way, not that there is anything wrong with either way...

http://beachpackagingdesign.typepad....onderbread.jpg

Trolling for sales?:rotflmao: You will never change Scott. You'll talk crap about anyone as long as it promotes your agenda. Do me a favor, leave me out of your pissing and moaning.

This thread is all apples and oranges...

apples is that scott called one out for posting a picture of a lure that the guy sells some where else.. I think thats wrong as the guy didnt mention anything about selling or being contacted to sell..

oranges is about personal responsibility. Those that do sell should post respectfully and those who dont should do the same..

I hadn't opened this thread until this morning. I thought "I need to read how the other guys do it cause I tried mixing (blending actually) colrs to get that soft old style Wonderbread like the old bombers and have failed miserably. Then I start to read the rest of this.

I come here to learn. I haven't leaned much lately (last 2 years actually). I do love Plugfest and it's basic premise. I do beleive a lot of builders in the commercial end do not give credit where credit is due, which, when I do bitch, is my main complaint and it gets me in mui caliente agua ( my spanish sucks as you can tell). If it looks like a duck , swims like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck, maybe your version is slightly different but it is still a duck.

I learn more now when I spend time in Numby's cellar or a day fishing with Tagger or listeneing to Prof M as he casts and talks to the bass on a calm flat in CC Bay at dawn then here.

Hours on the phone with TC or quiet talks with Stan Kuszia are what I live for now to make my plugbuilding better. I miss Bassmaster beleive it or not and those days when Mr. Pogie and others long gone from this forum posted regularly.

Leave yur egos at the door, share and learn and celebrate success when someone posts pics of what they have achieved in thier progress.

I wish I had never opened this to look at. The thrill is gone in building, no motivation here which is what I thrived on. Thank God for new Stratocasters. My plug building is suffering but my playing just gets bettter and better!

Start with a White Primer ...then hit with a light spray of red, yellow, and blue wherever you want the colors and in a pattern that you like. Then after that, fog over it with a pearl paint......sometimes two or three coats depending on how subdued you want the colors to show through.

Hope that helps....

Heres a great example of wonderbread in 3D..
http://www.wimp.com/laminarflow/

cool video nebe

Let me tell ya something Richard Cranium I have NEVER PM'ed or emailed anyone to by my plugs or to buy their plugs on this site or any other site. I have not even asked to trade with anyone. I post pics because I am proud of what I created. So For the last time LEAVE ME THE $#@% ALONE. If you have anything else to say to me do it in person.

i'll say it one more time..."Elvis has left the building"

if anybody needs that to feel they've won...

hey...congrats...you won...

i think the horse is dead now, no need to keep beating it...

and he does have an email off his website, if you want to continue...please do so there.... lets get this back to a plug building forum...PLEASE.... :)

deep breaths, and unbunch the panties....

Well said back to the plug building :agree: