Like I said before, I thought most if not all pension funds had Federal protection, on paper at least. I believe this program is pretty much out of money though given the huge pressure from the auto industry and other large organizations failing.

-spence

for 8 years the republicans ran this country. their policies put us in this mess we are in now. somehow they think the same policies will get us out. you can't argue with that kind of logic. :deadhorse:

ditto look i am ditto head

So what's the new policy we should be using?

-spence

How do you figure? Who has controlled the House and Senate for the last couple?

Did the Dem Congress generate any law without Bush's signature?

-spence

And Bush didn't sign any laws the Dems hadn't worked on before it crossed his desk.

Ummm, it doesn't work that way.

Up until the last two years of Bush's second term the GOP pretty much had complete control of the House and Senate. And even when the Dems had a technical majority, there was just a slim margin...

Regardless of what Congress sends to the President to sign into law, it's the President who signs it. Nancy Pelosi can draft a bill stating all welfare queens get Armani shopping bags, and if Bush signed it, he owns it.

-spence

I said the last couple years.

I think Obama has already signed a couple "imperfect" bills. The dem's can control what the President signs. They just didn't allow anything to pass them that they didn't want or agree too. then they would claim they were decieved by the evil Bush. But we won't bring up their lack of attention to detail. At least not while we have the big "AIG bonus crisis" on our hands.

Kind of ironic that they still don't read the bills they push through.

http://www.publicpensionsonline.com/...n%206%2007.pdf Buck - Some good basic info. on the MA pension system.

Being gone for 2 weeks, I forgot how much I missed the scope in which you place the entire country's economic state within the Dow.

You can blame the Dems, but have your Repubs supported it too.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-143