Conversation 30 minutes prior to this,

Caldera, "Don't worry Mr. President, I'll fall on the sword. You wait 30 minutes and say how upset you are and say you're sorry and will never ever ever let me near that plane again."

Obama, "OK that sounds good, get someone to que that up on the teleprompter for me."

The guy had good credentials. Amazing

$320.000.00 Photo op...... Part of the Stimulas Bill maybe?

buckman, you'll like this...

For starters, it wasn't a campaign photo op. It was "standard procedure" as the government has done for quite sometime. I truly don't believe Obama knew a thing about it. As even you have said, the President should only be focused on important issues.

However, it pisses me off. Why in the hell are my tax dollars being put to work to "update photos of Air Force One flying over landmarks"? We have a g-damn economic crisis going on, but it's ok to dump a few hundred thousand dollars so Air Force One can buzz the Empire State Building??

It's bad enough 200 staff, 6 military cargo aircraft, Marine One, a portable Presidential sh!tter and who knows what else travels everywhere the President goes. Now we're wasting extra money for a photo op?

It just shows what a complete fraud Obama and his minions are.
"Change" my A$$.
That money could have saved a few teacher positions, but what the hell.

It was stupid in retrospect but I don't share the whole group should resign sentiment

and your continuing to try to blame the Pres. for the flight is stupid as if he ordered and/or is involved in every detail of what goes on w/the administration. We just had a Pres. where people were told to keep the briefings short and that people should keep papers they were going to give him to under one page b/c he didn't need to know every detail.

There you have it - Pres. Bush is responsible for torture.

* This is not about Bush

Retrospect!!!! Could you name one person would would have heard about this brilliant $369,000 top secret mission and not said " Are you freaking nuts"? Not counting anyone in the Obama administration.

How many more times do we have to hear " mistakes were made" in the next 100 days.

What torture?

What are you talking about? The schools will be fine. No teachers are getting fired. :p

The same waterboarding torture that we prosectuted after WWII in the war crime trials.

You're not quoting Ted Kennedy are you? But he would be the expert on drowning, I mean simulated drowning (waterboarding) :rotf3:

Waterboarding cannot kill you, water on canvas may make you believe you are drowning but you're not going to die. It will definitely scare the crap out of you, but you are not in danger of dieing.

The WWII reference you made, yes the Japanese did simulate drowning by actually pouring water in your mouth and nose or dunking prisoners heads in barrels of water. This could kill you, and did kill some of the prisoners.

I just think it's funny that you would reference something Kennedy said on the house floor. Comparing waterboarding to the WWII instances is like comparing a kid shooting spitwads to a gang banger doing a drive by.

Breaking someone's fingers one at a time can't kill you nor can having your toe nails pulled off one at a time. I guess those actions aren't torture either?

I think you might be confused on what torture actual is. There doesn't have to be a risk of death for actions to be torture.

Waterboarding has been internationally recognized as torture for quite some time now, including international documents the US has agreed with and signed.

Tickling is torture too. I hope we don't find out anyone was tied down and tickled with a feather.

God, just trying to communicate with Liberals is Torture, but I'm not charging any of you leftists with War Crimes.....

:conf::nailem:

It's because you conflate the issues. With the torture subject, the issue isn't whether there was a risk to life or not, the issue is a matter of ordering the torturing of subjects.

You're welcome to continue to act ridiculous and say things like "just trying to communicate with libs is torture" just because I used your own logic to prove you wrong. It merely helps me with invalidating your argument.

What's really stupid is that this screwup by Obama's people has now become a discussion about torture. This was a money wasting, idiotic thing to do. It has nothing to do with torture by past Administrations, the Japanese during WWII, or my son putting worms in buckets and either filling it with water and letting them drown or leaving it uncovered in the sun and letting them slowly die.

Agreed.

Right, let's get back to the fact that they spent 360k panicking New York in what could only be described as idiotic and highly insensitive propaganda.
Something any high school kid could have accomplished with 15 minutes on the computor and Photoshop.
Could Mr. Transparency please tells us WTF it was for?
And let's not frorget the fact that a low flying plane sucked up a few birds and crashed into the Hudson River a few short weeks ago.

Anybody know what Obama planted in the White House Garden?

While the Clintons grew some vegetables in pots on the White House roof, the Obamas’ garden will far transcend that, with 55 varieties of vegetables — from a wish list of the kitchen staff — grown from organic seedlings started at the Executive Mansion’s greenhouses.

The Obamas will feed their love of Mexican food with cilantro, tomatillos and hot peppers. Lettuces will include red romaine, green oak leaf, butterhead, red leaf and galactic. There will be spinach, chard, collards and black kale. For desserts, there will be a patch of berries. And herbs will include some more unusual varieties, like anise hyssop and Thai basil. A White House carpenter, Charlie Brandts, who is a beekeeper, will tend two hives for honey.

The total cost of seeds, mulch and so forth is $200, said Sam Kass, an assistant White House chef, who prepared healthful meals for the Obama family in Chicago and is an advocate of local food. Mr. Kass will oversee the garden.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/di...garden.html?em

Stop hyjacking my thread!:deadhorse:

I agree w/you that its stupid (just as I said the flight was stupid). But so is trying to link the Pres. of the USA with the flight of his back up plane as if he controls everthing is stupid.

What it does Paul is indicate the kind of insensitive, stupid and hypocritical people he has chosen work for him. And the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Lets close our eyes and envision what you would be saying if it had been McCain. You know what? It NEVER would have happened. Care to debate that?
Let's see the pictures that they took and the purpose for which they were taken. Release them now.

Yea, I think you're talking out of your ass.

I'd be willing to wager the exact same thing would have happened and McCain would have found out about it just like Obama appears to have...after the fact.

How much did Bush spend to stage that "Mission Accomplished" photo op? Hell, he had an entire US carrier group tied up probably all day.

Yea, and the insenstitive, stupid and hypocritical people Bush surrounded himself with have cost us a heck of a lot more than a few hundred grand and some scared voters.

It's almost like you're trying to distract everyone from the good economic news coming from the Fed and the Street.

It's like you're against the recovery of America.

-spence

I'm doing it because this is just a yet another stoopid attack on somebody who is actually trying to do something to get this country back to what is used to be maybe like in in 1977.

When Disco was KING!!!

Don't you understand?

Obama wants to DESTROY America.

He is the 12th Imam.

-spence

Funny Funny, who hijacked your computer

You mock what you don't understand. I have proof.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=115720731

-spence

Ever since the market started heading up, buckman hasn't had a daily metric to use to blame Obama for the economic crisis.

They forgot to tell how Michele is spending all her days out there tending it.

From what i heard today the only really good financial news came from the American people
spending. Prolly mostly their income tax rebate checks. :huh:

Thats your proof? Steriods are an issue.

Try this one on JD, should bring a smile to your face:rotf3:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090430/...ns_exxon_mobil

How about maybe like 1933? Or how about, how the eff do we pay for it in say..... 2012?

I feel so bad.
My cousin drive a commercial dive boat in the gulf, one with saturation divers, he's so busy, working on existing infrastructure he's welcoming the slow down.
He's on with 1 other capt, 12 on 12 off for 28 days, then 14 days off
boat never goes into shore except for repair requiring yard services, everything else is lightered out.

Good.

They rode record profits on oil prices they helped to drive up. They limited production at refineries to keep prices high, even as the per barrel cost came down.

That is the problem with multi-billion dollar company that has all their eggs in one basket. Unless they adjust their business model to deal with energy outside of oil, they will fail just like our domestic auto companies are.

Bush was blamed for everything that anyone did, so whats the difference. Intelligent, no, but if he didn't know what was going on with his backup plane, then his admin is out of control.

Your wrong Spence, any Whitehouse Director in the McCain administration wouldn't have dared pull a stunt like that. I'm still shocked that she still has her job. She shows such poor judgement.

And the leading economic indicators are mixed at best. I'm all for recovery. Just because I don't drink from the same glass as you, doesn't mean we both don't want the same thing. Let's just say I'm a skeptic. FYI the doesn't make me a racist either.