[QUOTE=Joe;712206]Good point on always having a safe milk source.
In the 40s and early 50s the subsidy helped the family farmer with milk
prices as, if i remember right, they were only getting 9-11 cents/GALLON.
It helped some of the hardest working people we had, working 14 hours/ day 365/a year round to stay afloat.

Now with a lot of big combines doing most of the farming I'm not crazy about subsidizing to protect them except maybe
your point.

There aren't enough doctors now in most areas with current demand. Some primary care physicians see over 100 patients in a day.

I've said this before. Most good doctors coming out of med school now, go into research because of the cost of malpractice insurance. Being a doctor isn't as glamorous as tv makes it out to be. Would you want to spend all day looking at lesions on peoples skin, or looking down someones throat while they're coughing all over you? Or better yet, how about having to tell parents that thier kid has a terminal illness. Most medical jobs, as people like JD who have worked in the field can attest, suck. And the money in being a doctor isn't what it used to be.

My sister's boyfriend is a 60 year old doctor - his average face time with a patient is 7 mins.
He gets $150 minimum for an office visit. His hobby is collecting cars.

I'd like to read the speach they're quoting from, because the quotes in the article linked don't support the headline.

-spence

It will only get worse under Obama Care. I saw a poll that had 45% of Doctors leaving the practice if this passes.

You Lie!

-spence

You've just been rebuked. Now go and say hi to Mr. Wilson for me while you're in SC.

Here you go Spence.

Investors.com - 45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

Yeah, and don't forget to tack up a Confederate Flag behind the stinky sofa of your double-wide at the Extended Stay Trailer Park - and bring us back some fireworks and tax free smokes.

You are joking, right?

Let's do the math.

1376 doctors out of 800,000 doctors is a sample of .17%

This poll was done by mail, so we can assume somewhat that it's biased towards doctors who are opposed, as they are more motivated to voice their opinion. People who are content don't tend to be as vocal.

This "poll" appears to be contradicted by most other polls.

The 45% number is a (rather un-scientific) linear extrapolation by the author from the .17% to 100%.

I'm sure there are doctors opposed to reform, but this is complete nonsense.

It's like me talking to two people out of a thousand at a company, and because one of them liked my product that 50 people liked my product...

-spence

If your anything Spence, it's pedictable.
All polls are biased one way or the other. You could apply your points to every poll. The ones made during the day only poll those without jobs. The way the questions are worded effect the truth. Yada, yada..... You said "I LIED" and you were wrong, I told the truth.
Apologize to me please.

Polls certainly can be biased, but the better polling organizations use scientific methods and can be pretty accurate.

The statistic you cited, 45%, is not from a poll, it's from the IBD writer of the article.

Perhaps Wilson thought he was telling the truth because he looked at the same phoney stats?

-spence

Wilson apologized and he was right

I've actually been in Greenville, SC all day :)

-spence

While you're in SC, stick a rainbow decal on one side of the bumper of your rented car and an Obama/Biden on the other and see how long it takes the cops to drag you out to an onion field and shoot your commie as_

Greenville isn't that bad, it's a college town and aside from Bob Jones University is pretty hip.

I'm in the Charlotte airport currently, hour 3 of my 4-1/2 hour layover.

-spence

So you divide da little numbah by da big numbah, and den you move dat little dot over to da right two numbas? Dats pretty smot!

Joke, just for the Obama Haters: The Police Do Care
 

These officers undoubtedly attended sensitivity training at some point in their careers.



The Lexington, Kentucky Police Department reports finding a
man's body in the Kentucky River just west of the Clays Ferry Bridge.

The dead man's name will not be released until his family
has been notified.

The victim apparently drowned due to excessive beer consumption. He was wearing black fishnet stockings, a red garter belt, a pink g-string, a strap-on dildo, purple lipstick, and an Obama t-shirt. He also had a cucumber in his rectum.

The police removed the Obama t-shirt to spare his family any unnecessary embarrassment.


The Police do care.

An afterthought re socialistic solutions to "life and death" situations instead of free market solutions. Food, clothing, shelter, among others, are as much "life and death" situations as health care. Should we not, then, have universal food care, universal clothing care, universal shelter care, etc.?

Let's see, we got car companies, banks, insurance companies, govt taking over of
all student loans, proposed health care.
Ya need to give them at least another 8 months till we get the food,another cheese hand out,
clothing, shelter and they blow your nose for you.

Everything is on a spectrum. We already do have some level of aid for many of these situations, food stamps, tax exemptions for clothing in some states, low income housing subsidies etc...

Your argument is akin to the one that says if two gay people can legally marry, then why can't you marry 5 people or a goat or even 5 goats?

History has proven that when society sets reasonable limits the results can indeed be effective even when pulled at from both sides.

-spence

Spence just wants his goat bride covered under his plan.

Spence, I hope your real wife is understanding. Mine won't even let me get a dog.

all I know is that when it comes to the law, keeping a short striper is the same as raping a girl dammit!

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Sorry....I couldn't resist

If you want to see a Govt. plan similar to the proposed HC Plan, look
back at the William D Ford Federal Direct Student Loan Program passed under
Clinton, meant to compete with private plans. :rolleyes:

" We are not taking a free enterprise system and federalizing it'' the then Deputy Education Madeline Kunin said,
"We are improving entrepreneurial and competitive possibilities." Sound familiar???

So, 16 yrs ago the government started competing for student loans and even though two thirds of students and universties prefer the private companies, with interest rates competitive with the Fed loans, they prefer the private loans, because of superior customer service.

Congress just passed HR 3321 which Federalizes all student loans, which if signed into law, will eliminate fed guarantees on private loans and replace them with the government's Direct Loan Program at a cost of 1 trillion over 10 years.

Th BIG GOVT's hand writing is on the wall. :(

See, no "death panels"
 

:smash::smash:

Once in a while I've been able to sneak an article past someone that didn't know about The Onion.

You know that there are people who would believe this if you presented it to them. Probably no one in here, but plenty of people that don't spend most of their free time on fishing websites.

Absolutely. There are a large number of people that check this forum but never post. I'm sure at least one of them was fooled.

I guess I should be saving for my health care taxes rather than my biodiesel plant,
Big business strikes again. How many healthcare lobbyists per member? of congress 4?

Reported this morning Olympia Snowe (R) won't go along on Harry Reid's
proposed HC plan. She was locked out of some of the discussions.

Looks like if it passes it will not be a Bi partisan bill.

And it's all in there. Everything Obama said wouldn't be.

Well they sure are in complete control of the Swine Flu vaccine program. That should give us all a little confidence.

I hear you. One of the pains of self-employment.

Try and get under a long-term agreement now. It's only going to get worse from here.

Passing the House doesn't mean a whole heck of a lot...it's a long way from becoming law.

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-spence

I'm sure your gut is right.

A 220-215 vote doesn't sit well with me, especially on a bill that will bring massive changes to the way health care is run in this country.

I think Pelosi lives in a constant state of delusion.

How she ever got Speaker is beyond me, and being 2 heart beats
away from Commander in Chief is really scary.

agreed

it's never happened before so I'm not all that concerned.

I'm glad this is dead in the water. The House Bill is a pathetic attempt to change "Health Care Reform" into "Health Care Expansion." The former could have lowered costs overall, the latter will increase costs for most.