so, isnt it sort of a safe bet to say he slipped through the cracks because of pc?
I mean you dont think his background/faith influenced his promotion AT ALL? You dont think the military was more leniant on him because he was muslim? just asking.

The military should have only one job. Kill bad guys that endanger our Liberty and Freedom. They have the brightest and best this country has to offer. They are held back because of politics. Casey and the others are politicians first and commanders second. We worry about how every move we make might offend someone and in the end no move is made. I wish there was a better way of saying it then PC because so many get offended by that.You have to be PC about how you use the term PC.

Terrorism, especially as a means to influence government policy, may be too general a term to apply to this situation. More specifically, Islamic terrorism might be more apt. According to the overly admired Wikipedia "Islamic terrorism is the common term for violence thought to be rooted in Islamism or misinterpretation of Islam, and is based on claims of defending, or even promoting Islamic culture, society and values in opposition to the political, allegedly imperialistic, and cultural influences of non-Muslims, and the Western World in particular." Based on some of Hasan's previous statements against our being in Iraq and Afghanistan and what should be done to non-Muslims, his act might be construed as a violent defence of Islam. Muslim scholar Zakir Naik said (again in Wikipedia) "Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. A muslim should be a terrorist for the robber and all other anti-social elements." Hasan seems to have considered America, especially its military, as anti-Muslim-social.

As far as this being a psychological "snap," not only was his act too well prepared to be a snap, but there may be a pathological element to most terrorist acts (certainly anti-social). Afghan pathologist Dr. Yusuf Yadgari (again in Wikipedia) found in a study of 110 suicide bombers that 80% of them had some kind of physical or mental disability. The difference between a terrorist and a mental case may not be that great, and to say that Hasan had a mental problem does not discount him being an Islamist terrorist.

As far as it being an act of mass murder rather than terrorism, most acts of terrorism are acts of mass murder--again, being one doesn't discount the other.

Perhaps an even better name for Hasan would be Jihadist. Especially one of the "lesser Jihad" or Jihad of the sword. This is justified by Muslim Scholars as acting against injustice and oppression (he certainly viewed the U.S. as unjust and oppressive in Iraq and Afghanistan), and as acting against the rejecters of truth after it has become evident to them (as we in the West reject the truth presented to us by Osama bin Laden, Hasan, and Islam).

Agreed. I refuse to walk on eggshells for anyone and the military shouldn't have to either when it comes to the safety of our honorable soldiers. Anyone that appears to be even the slightest risk to other soldiers should be removed immediately - whether they're Muslim, female, high ranking or otherwise. But, the military is already understaffed, removing a large number of people that *might* be a risk could have the potential to be more dangerous.

Somehow my thinking that this wasn't a terrorist incident, has been conflated by some into me being PC.

[QUOTE=JohnnyD;723466] conflated

Not for nothing John, but that is a good word.

How is terrorism and what you call "mass murder" and the death 13 American soldiers different?A religious muslim fanatic ended the lives of 13 good Americans.That's terror at its best.

Smoke up some more dude.I'll never understand people like you who compare me to the KKK.Its like comparing me to a nazi who just killed some jews.Get a grip johnny I'm a fvcking Armenian.I live with people who're the relatives of 2.5 million people slaughterd by muslims.Keep your mouth shut until you actually have someting intelligent to say.

Haha... thank you.

Someone should take their own advice - especially a person that hasn't put an ounce of intelligence into any of their posts in here.

At least for once you didn't start a post with "Exactly the response I expected."

Exactly the response I expected.

Really.

I love people like you who ride the coat tails of us vets.I literally have dead friends so that we can have this discussion.

Bless you dude and your family.I really mean that.

As a vet, your service is more than appreciated. The sacrifice a soldier makes deserves a level of respect higher than any other.

On the other hand, being a vet is not a blank check to be a prick because someone disagrees with you.

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

There's no point to be made, just ignorance. asswipe has already made it clear the reason he holds this opinion isn't because of actual evidence, but because of the Armenian Genocide committed almost 100 years ago. I'm still sensitive about my Irish relatives dying during the Great Famine 150 years ago - which is why I don't allow potatoes in my house.

You sound a lot like the black activists who say that African Americans can't be racists.

-spence

Not even potato chips? What about Guinness - is that banned also? Take away the potatoes and the Guinness and you're down the just the Jameson food group.

Guinness is a staple in my house... and after 4 years, my girlfriend has finally started to understand when I ask "Do you have Guinness on tap?" why I then order a different beer if the response is "I'm sorry, but we have it in the bottle."

Avoiding to describe this as potential terrorism just might get people killed. If you don't think Obama is also investigating this as a potential terrorist attack then I hope your wrong, for your kids sake. Even I have more faith in Obama then that.

You really say some pretty stupid things.

I think the military police are smart enough to conduct an investigation without biasing it one way or the other.

-spence

How so? That people let stereotypes and bigotry pollute their thinking?

That's stupid?

-spence

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 723585) How so? That people let stereotypes and bigotry pollute their thinking? That's stupid? -spence

you should include yourself....

I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

interesting how many on the left are desperate to claim that this is not terrorism and remarkable to watch the contortions...to the extent that Brian Williams proclaimed last night that " the military will not charge Hasan with terrorism" and then softly followed with the fact that the military actually has no charge for terrorism with which to charge him....but the emphasis was obvious and a bald faced liar made his point...fear of some anti-muslim backlash is overriding any other concern...

Spence, let's do this...let's pile up all of the bodies of the victims of the imagined anti-muslim backlash by radical right wing extremists...or anyone else for that matter since 9/11...there should be a lot because there's are a whole lot of bigotry and stereotyping out there ...big population of angry non-muslims vs. muslims, probably thousand of victims right?....and then let's pile up the bodies of the victims of muslim extremists during the same period....clearly, the first reaction of this administration post big bomb going off in a major city will be to schedule an anti-muslim backlash summit...your suggestion that some here some would like this to be terrorism to justify some belief that all muslims are terrorists is a despicable as anything I've ever heard.....only a fool would or should suggest that from either side...to impune those that view this as a terrorist act given the reality of the last what?...20 + years???....is to mock common sense...

keep rolling though...you continue expose youself as a fool

Here is a stupid thing to say,

All Muslims should be treated as Terrorist until proven other wise. :uhuh:

My mind is not polluted. :gu:, that's just good beer.

I'm not a bigot, I can care less about anothers creed.

When you have a group that will kill their children(women) because that family felt dishonored then that group should be watched.

Actually, Asswipe made it quite clear that his motivation for assuming this was terrorism is because of a deep seated disdain for Muslims due to the Armenian Genocide. That's what spence is referencing when he states "I guess if you view violence by Muslims always as "terrorism" you'd have a point.".

No one said any such thing!!!!. My hunting buddy is a Muslim, head of a Muslim school as a matter of fact. I have NO fear of Muslims.
I do have a fear of Islamic extremist. And you should too.

last bastion of a fool...
cmon' Buck, you should know the routine by now, it always ends up in a charge or racism, bigotry, ignorance...you could be married to a muslim and you'd still be a racist....I listened to a lilly white liberal(self described)guy on sports radio recently sit with a black guy and pontificate on what was racist toward blacks and what was not...the black guy kept saying "I don't see racism in that" and lilly white guy kept saying "that is absolutelly racist"....never get between a radical liberal extremist and a charge of racism or bigotry because he will be going a hundred miles an hour to get there....

actually, you are only referring to the first sentence...I was referring to the rest....they are separate...

It's interesting how in many of these threads people are actually going out of their way to stress the word "terrorist" like some also stress the "Hussein" when speaking about the President.

It's almost like some are wishing he's a terrorist just to prove some point.

What point?

That Muslims are all terrorists?

I'm thinking that might just be the point.

-spence

quite a conclusion

You make it sound like they think all Republicans are "religous zealots":rotf2:
I would like to know when the Dems became the self proclaimed party for minorities, they didn't start out that way... Hmmm I wonder when that was.....:tm:( that's a hand out :rotf2:)

Sorry it took some time for me to get back on this JD, I was in vacation for a while. So your definition is the only one that counts? You really know how to change direction to support your own arguments. You don't need to take one piece of a definition and apply it to one specific incident to make a point. It makes you look unintelligent and we know you aren't that.

Read the following article and see if you are still 100% convinced that this wasn't a terrorist act. Pay special attention to the comments made by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl M. Levin. Also, keep in mind that I never claimed this was an act of terrorism. I only said that there are people who feel it is and there may be reason for them to think it is.

Hasan had intensified contact with cleric - Washington Post- msnbc.com


By the way, thanks for supporting my point.

I didn't see this one before...must have been on the road :sled:

I you need to twist my words to make me a fool, then perhaps that should tell you something about yourself.

-spence

I'd be curious to see if they have enough evidence to indict the cleric who's apparently been watched as someone who incites violence.

-spence

I'm not sure any definition really counts, unless one is willing to define the reaction to the deserving action.

-spence