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JohnnyD 01-20-2010 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 740363)
Funny, because when Trent Lott and Imus said something racially stupid, no one talked about how it was said, or the context in which it was said. All anybody talked about was specifically what was said.

Democrats, it seems, can say racist things and use "context" as a shield from ramifications. Conservatives don't seem to be given that courtesy.

Public forum vs. private conversation.

Nappy-headed hoes vs. older person saying negro

Publicly supporting a racial segregationist vs. stating his race will be an advantage

Racist vs. Realist

detbuch 01-20-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 740808)
Public forum vs. private conversation.

Private conversations tend to reveal who one is more than do public forums.

Nappy-headed hoes vs. older person saying negro

More or less stupid joke vs. insensitive comment.

Publicly supporting a racial segregationist vs. stating his race will be an advantage

Racist vs. Realist

Harry Reid saluted Trent Lott when the latter retired by saying "I am proud to have worked side-by-side with such a distinguished public servant as Trent Lott".

If Lott's salutation of Thurmond at the latter's 100th birthday party makes him a racist, does Reid's salute to Lott make Reid a racist?

And is racism a matter of degree--a little bit is okay, just don't go too far?

spence 01-20-2010 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 740385)
That so many have to disclaim being a fan of Rush before even mildly defending him, shows how successful the left's smear machine has been.

So you're saying that people like Buckman, as fine a conservative and American as you'll see, have been corrupted by the Left? And to think I assumed he listened and made up his own mind.

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It is more difficult to negate Rush by actually discussing the entirety of his work and conservative philosophy than it is to personally destroy him in the eyes of those who don't listen to his show.
Making fun of people and claiming you're always right? That's most of his "work". Rush may even be a real conservative, and he's consistent on many conservative issues, but his "work"? Last time I checked his "work" was making money for his sponsors.

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This thread started with "quotes" by Rush and Robertson. Rush's, out of context, certainly appears to politicize aid to Haiti. Obviously, these were not quotes from memory, but from a printed source. I don't know if RIROCKHOUND listens to Rush--doubt it, and that he remembered verbatim--doubt it. I would guess, (maybe wrong) that it was from a third source that cherry picked Rush's statement to try to make him look bad. As an actual Rush listener, you could see how Rush was speculating.
So now you're accusing RIROCKHOUND of not vetting his sources, or worse, not being smart enough to sort out the real from the imagined?

The context sure seems pretty clear from the quote. He's not speculating, he's making an accusation, in extremely poor taste, simply to titillate his audience.

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But the tactic, as demonstrated in this thread, is not to actually listen to and follow Rush's reasoning, but to pick, out of context, negative or foolish sounding statements in order to discredit him. Then begin to really smear him with unfounded eptithets--porn merchant, oaf, fathead, logic as sharp as the cysts on his arse--and the biggest sin--he's in it for the money. So, in the end, after the smearing slander, the big difference between what they accuse Rush of and themselves is that Rush makes so much more money than they do.
A quite rational person was offended by "in context" remarks and you debase him by calling out supposed "tactics". There must therefore be a hidden agenda, he must be in on the plan...yea right.

It is YOU who are now taking the followup remarks out of context in an attempt to make your own point.

You are the pot calling the kettle black.

-spence

detbuch 01-20-2010 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 740879)
So you're saying that people like Buckman, as fine a conservative and American as you'll see, have been corrupted by the Left? And to think I assumed he listened and made up his own mind.

Buckman didn't smear Rush with inaccurate epithets.

Making fun of people and claiming you're always right? That's most of his "work". Rush may even be a real conservative, and he's consistent on many conservative issues, but his "work"? Last time I checked his "work" was making money for his sponsors.


You say that most of his work is making fun of people and claiming that he is always right (actually only 99 point something % right), that's not true (there you go again.) The making fun is collateral to what he does and is meant to get under your skin, which he seems to do quite well.

Then you say his work is making money for his sponsors. Which is it? Making fun or making money for sponsors? Oh . . . right, one of the main reasons we work is to make money. So, you can, say, play baseball for the Red Sox, or take appealing family photos, or make furniture, and thereby be called an athlete, or a photographer, or a carpenter, or, by your description, we can all simply be called cash cows.

And, so, you don't like Rush making fun of people. That's understandable, although his fun has some humorously logical basis. But doing the same thing to him, especially in a baseless smearing way (porn merchant), certainly makes you no better than him.


So now you're accusing RIROCKHOUND of not vetting his sources, or worse, not being smart enough to sort out the real from the imagined?
The context sure seems pretty clear from the quote. He's not speculating, he's making an accusation, in extremely poor taste, simply to titillate his audience.
A quite rational person was offended by "in context" remarks and you debase him by calling out supposed "tactics". There must therefore be a hidden agenda, he must be in on the plan...yea right.

There you go again. I didn't accuse RIROCKHOUND of anything. I was implying that a third party had employed the "tactic" for the purpose of disseminating "negative or foolish sounding statements in order to discredit" Rush.

It is YOU who are now taking the followup remarks out of context in an attempt to make your own point.
You are the pot calling the kettle black.
-spence

Calling Rush a porn merchant, fathead, etc. that followed in this thread is actually there. I didn't take any of it out of context. There is no further context beyond this thread, as there are many hours of context, vis a vis Rush that is left out of cherry-picked quotes attributed to him.

scottw 01-21-2010 07:17 AM

If Rush is a "PORN MERCHANT" as Spence Olbermann claims, he is simple collecting the porn produced by the left on a daily basis and repackaging it, marking it up substantially and successfully marketing it in an often humorous form....wish I'd thought of it first...if the left had a sense of humor they might listen more:uhuh:

buckman 01-21-2010 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 740879)
So you're saying that people like Buckman, as fine a conservative and American as you'll see, have been corrupted by the Left? And to think I assumed he listened and made up his own mind.


-spence

Damn Spence, I'm touched:love:

The Dad Fisherman 01-21-2010 11:44 AM

There is no need to Tarnish the Word Porn by Associating it with Rush...:hihi:

detbuch 01-21-2010 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 741083)
There is no need to Tarnish the Word Porn by Associating it with Rush...:hihi:

Absolutely correct. Porn has a great tradition that requires physical attributes which Rush, ponderously, lacks.

JohnnyD 01-22-2010 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 739452)
it appears as though the "scientific community"(Rock) is now tuning into Rush and watching the 700 Club...maybe they're(he's) looking for someone new to follow after the complete collapse of that whole Global Warming/Climate Change debacle :rotf2:

NASA: Last decade was warmest ever - CNN.com

Last decade was the warmest on record.

buckman 01-22-2010 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyD (Post 741420)
NASA: Last decade was warmest ever - CNN.com

Last decade was the warmest on record.

NASA sunspot activity prediction indicates next decade coldest in over a century [FR Exclusive]

NASA predicts next decade coldest:love:

I love busting your balls, JD

JohnnyD 01-22-2010 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 741439)
NASA sunspot activity prediction indicates next decade coldest in over a century [FR Exclusive]

NASA predicts next decade coldest:love:

I love busting your balls, JD

:rotf2::rotf2:

RIROCKHOUND 01-22-2010 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 741439)
NASA sunspot activity prediction indicates next decade coldest in over a century [FR Exclusive]

NASA predicts next decade coldest:love:

I love busting your balls, JD

If you do happen to believe in human induce climate change, this is actually a really bad thing, because it could mass the effects we have w/ CO2 and then when sunspots go back to normal.... :smash:

scottw 01-22-2010 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 741486)
If you do happen to believe in human induce climate change, this is actually a really bad thing, because it could mass the effects we have w/ CO2 and then when sunspots go back to normal.... :smash:

ahhhh so, now AGW is "HICC"? how about we just settle on BS ?....:biglaugh:

fixed for ya

spence 01-22-2010 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 741487)
ahhhh so, now AGW is "HICL"? how about we just settle on BS ?....:biglaugh:

What's HICL? Please...start enlightening us.

-spence

RIROCKHOUND 01-22-2010 07:52 PM

Scott you obviously don't read my posts. I almost never use the term 'global warming' but do use anthropogenic or human induced climate change and am fairly consistent on this.

spence 01-22-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 741490)
Scott you obviously don't read my posts. I almost never use the term 'global warming' but do use anthropogenic or human induced climate change and am fairly consistent on this.

He doesn't actually read your posts, you're just now realizing this???

-spence

scottw 01-23-2010 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 741489)
What's HICL? Please...start enlightening us.

-spence

oops...HICC "Human Induced Climate Change" as stated by ROCK ....wasamadda.....you get the point...first it's one thing...then when that doesn't quite work out....it's another thing....

scottw 01-23-2010 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 741490)
Scott you obviously don't read my posts. I almost never use the term 'global warming' but do use anthropogenic or human induced climate change and am fairly consistent on this.

"almost never"???....I almost never hit the wrong key

"fairly consistent" ??

hey, apparently the Global Warming Scientists "almost never" f&*% around with the data and are.... well..."fairly consistent"....with their assumptions :rotf2:

22, 2010
Climategate: CRU Was But the Tip of the Iceberg
By Marc Sheppard
Not surprisingly, the blatant corruption exposed at Britain’s premiere climate institute was not contained within the nation’s borders. Just months after the Climategate scandal broke, a new study has uncovered compelling evidence that our government’s principal climate centers have also been manipulating worldwide temperature data in order to fraudulently advance the global warming political agenda.
Not only does the preliminary report [PDF] indict a broader network of conspirators, but it also challenges the very mechanism by which global temperatures are measured, published, and historically ranked.
Last Thursday, Certified Consulting Meteorologist Joseph D’Aleo and computer expert E. Michael Smith appeared together on KUSI TV [Video] to discuss the Climategate -- American Style scandal they had discovered. This time out, the alleged perpetrators are the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS).
NOAA stands accused by the two researchers of strategically deleting cherry-picked, cooler-reporting weather observation stations from the temperature data it provides the world through its National Climatic Data Center (NCDC). D’Aleo explained to show host and Weather Channel founder John Coleman that while the Hadley Center in the U.K. has been the subject of recent scrutiny, “[w]e think NOAA is complicit, if not the real ground zero for the issue.”

Duke41 01-23-2010 07:35 AM

2 knights of the keyboard do battle. This is entertaining. rush is a "big fat idiot". there,is my two cents. These jackasses that use a public forum (not you guys, Rush and Pat) to spew forth hatred and racism are deplorable. Let them use their great minds and oratory talent to bring the world together not pull it apart.

spence 01-23-2010 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 741538)
oops...HICC "Human Induced Climate Change" as stated by ROCK ....wasamadda.....you get the point...first it's one thing...then when that doesn't quite work out....it's another thing....

Usually when arguing with a scientist is pays to get one's facts straight.

-spence

spence 01-23-2010 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Duke41 (Post 741542)
Let them use their great minds and oratory talent to bring the world together not pull it apart.

Where's the money in that?

-spence

scottw 01-23-2010 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 741549)
Usually when arguing with a scientist is pays to get one's facts straight.

-spence

I mistyped a letter...the so-called "scientists" have competely f*%$*d with the "facts" :uhuh: I guess being a "scientist" doesn't necessarily or automatically make you right...

I have about as much regard for the "scientists" that continue to push the climate change/AGW/human induced whatever scam as I do for Jonh Murtha and his opionions on the military....

just as Obama is showing now...time exposes frauds...you should keep defending both though...the folks that continue support these myths are quickly dwindling and they really need your help.....

spence 01-23-2010 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 741568)
I mistyped a letter...the so-called "scientists" have competely f*%$*d with the "facts" :uhuh: I guess being a "scientist" doesn't necessarily or automatically make you right...

I have about as much regard for the "scientists" that continue to push the climate change/AGW/human induced whatever scam as I do for Jonh Murtha and his opionions on the military....

just as Obama is showing now...time exposes frauds...you should keep defending both though...the folks that continue support these myths are quickly dwindling and they really need your help.....

Pretty arrogant to think that you, a non-scientist, who doesn't even know what this stuff is called, can mockingly discredit several thousand experts.

But you could be right in the end. After all, Rush Limbaugh did observe it was colder than usual the other day.

-spence

scottw 01-23-2010 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 741574)
Pretty arrogant to think that you, a non-scientist, who doesn't even know what this stuff is called, can mockingly discredit several thousand experts.name them...several thousand...just go with a million..it's much more convincing, I didn't mock or discredit them, their actions and the facts have done that....

But you could be right in the end. After all, Rush Limbaugh did observe it was colder than usual the other day.

-spence

when the "scientists" finally decide on a name for "this stuff" that they can settle on with their "settled science"...you'll please let me know, won't ya Spence?

did you think it was arrogant that, Obama, a "non-scientist" thought he could lower the sea levels?:rotf2:

How about them Nobel "Scientists"?
The Indian head of the UN climate change panel defended his position yesterday even as further errors were identified in the panel's assessment of Himalayan glaciers.

Dr Rajendra Pachauri dismissed calls for him to resign over the Inter-governmental Panel on Climate Change’s retraction of a prediction that Himalayan glaciers could disappear by 2035.

But he admitted that there may have been other errors in the same section of the report, and said that he was considering whether to take action against those responsible.

“I know a lot of climate sceptics are after my blood, but I’m in no mood to oblige them,” he told The Times in an interview. “It was a collective failure by a number of people,” he said. “I need to consider what action to take, but that will take several weeks. It’s best to think with a cool head, rather than shoot from the hip.”

Related Links
UN climate chief admits mistake on glaciers alert
World misled over glacier meltdown

The IPCC’s 2007 report, which won it the Nobel Peace Prize, said that the probability of Himalayan glaciers “disappearing by the year 2035 and perhaps sooner is very high”.

But it emerged last week that the forecast was based not on a consensus among climate change experts, but on a media interview with a single Indian glaciologist in 1999.

The IPCC admitted on Thursday that the prediction was “poorly substantiated” in the latest of a series of blows to the panel’s credibility.

detbuch 01-24-2010 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 741550)
Where's the money in that?

-spence

Are you suggesting that there is no money to be made in pulling the world together, but the profit is really in being "a big fat idiot" who "spews hatred and racism"?

And if Rush is a big fat porn merchant idiot who spews hatred and racism, how has he managed to stay on the air? Don Imus was fired for using a racial term as part of his schtick--a term that is freely used by members of "the community" that was most offended by his remark. Trent Lott was forced to step down for a salute to a colleague that was interpreted to be racial. Rush continues on.

I understand that the epithets used in this thread against Rush are not meant to be factually correct. He may be fat--I don't know--he's been on and off diets I hear and had, at least one time, slimmed down, but I doubt that anyone here is actually condemning him for his weight. He is certainly not an idiot. He is not a racist--he has had black hosts do his show when he's been on vacation. One of the Snurdleys he has had as a producer is black. He has praised various CONSERVATIVE blacks. Though he is acerbic, politically incorrect, full of ego, it has not been shown that he spews hatred, nor has he been brought up on any charges of hate speech. I understand that his humor can irritate. When I have listened to his show, I would often cringe at his jokes, just as I do often when watching Saturday Night Live. But I understand that it is schtick. But it is a mistake to think that for Rush it is only schtick. The abrasive humour is only a method to deliver his ideas. Be honest, Spence, don't you find it difficult to remain neutral, polite, when arguing against what you consider ignorant, even stupid? Don't you often resort to sarcasm, name calling? Doesn't it feel good to do it? Isn't it part of your repertoire?

What I have referred to as the "tactic" of discrediting Rush by cherrypicking occasional remarks out of context is not being used as a "tactic" by most of those who repeat the quotes. If a lie is repeated often enough, it will be believed. Most people sincerely believe what they are repeating, and it is easy, then, to slip into the political verbiage and even that, as it is repeated, is believed.

What he has done, and why he is successful, is provide an alternative relief from what was perceived as a constant left slanting media, and has helped create a media environment that has grown into many syndicated talk radio shows and may have even contributed to the possibility of a Fox News Channel.

It is understandable that those who lean left would hate him for what he has done. And I understand that their epithets are not meant to be factual, but are just personal political verbiage. Politics has always been, and will probably always be, dirty. Just be aware, that when you engage in this type of name calling, you're no better than who you smear.


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