Lets put sinks outside every public restroom. While we're at it, let's also put them on the inside and outside of every door to every public place. After all, we know that the dirty poopy, pee, boogie hand people go to places other than public restooms. How about on all buses, trains and in all cabs? I shudder to think of all the fecal matter, snots and herpes I've been exposed to while out and about.

Or, everyone could do their best to wash their hands and go on living life unafraid of the poopy germs. If you're too afraid that others don't wash theirs, stay home in your freakin' bubble.

Point is you could put sinks everywhere and people aren't going to use them if it's not a habit to do so. I was out Sat. night and the place had automatic flushing urinals, auto soap dispensers, auto fawcets and no doors to the restrooms (you walked around a corner so no one could see in). You didn't have to touch anything to wash up. Still, guys were taking leaks and then walking right out the door without washing their mitts.

you have to be f'in kidding me? How the hell have I tweaked my response and how have YOU PROVEN me worng???

We are not talking about disease spread via people and objects, we are talking about disease spread FROM THE BATHROOM, no???
I'll say it clearly as possible - random contact with piss or crap via a restroom will not cause you any health issues 99% of the time.
So you want PROOF, versus your nonsense replies - here goes:
random web research -
There are many simple things that protect you from airborne and surface bacteria, the most powerful being your own immune system. People in decent to excellent health can afford to be reckless more often than the very young or the elderly.
While it is obviously unsanitary to not wash your hands after touching dirty surfaces, more often than not, you will come away unscathed. Your body is tough enough
(WHOA ! wasnt I saying this?????)

from web md -
"To my knowledge, no one has ever acquired an STD on the toilet seat -- unless they were having sex on the toilet seat!" says Abigail Salyers, PhD, president of the American Society for Microbiology (ASM).


Common cold germs, like most viruses, die rapidly, and thus may be less of a threat than you think. "Even if you come into contact with particular viruses or bacteria, you'd have to contract them in amounts large enough to make you sick," says Judy Daly, PhD, professor of pathology at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

so.....Im way off? You proved me wrong? So, you live your life worrying that some guy with Hep C may crap on his hands and then make some tuna salad for you? That chance is SO SMALL its insane. How do you drive a car? you chance of dying or getting injured is WAY higher than contacting a serious sickness from a restroom!

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This is handwashing and nothing to do with the bathroom. get it? your post was about the bathroom, no? in order to rpove you point, you need to show that urine or feces caused the potatoes to become "germy".

Is it really such a bad idea? Perhaps if they could be seen not washing they might do it. Like I stated earlier if it could save space and perhaps get more people to use them; what is the negative side?

[QUOTE=RIJIMMY;742054]And out in public you find sinks where?

im just curious, have you ever made out with some random chick or do you do a throat culture first?

You're right. Human beings have survived terrible living situations for quite a long time in history. They also had life expectancies that barely touched 30 years old.

and the immune system has evolved to handle it. I guess I dont equate a mostly clean workforce not consistenly washing their hands in the bathroom as "terrible living situations". Apparently I am in the minority. Im done, enjoy your paranoia. Im going to go crap, pick my nose, do the dirty dishes, clean my kids room and then have sex with my my wife and then get on my knees and pray, we dont get fooled again.

YES, IT'S A BAD IDEA!!!!!!!! It's not practical to put sinks everywhere. Do you even understand the reality of retrofitting everyplace I mentioned above to put sinks in? No matter what you do, people are going to have dirty hands. Even if people can see, they still won't wash their hands. Do you get it? I was at a Providence Bruins game on Friday and watched as several guys zipped up, turned around and walked out of the restroom without washing. This was at the end of the game when there were lines in the bathroom, so it's not like their poor bathroom hygiene went undetected by others. I then went, washed my hands and left. As I was exiting the rink, I made my wife hold the exit door since I had just washed my hands. She had gloves on.

Jimmy I have done worse than that but it has nothing to do with being a tough guy, it just has to do with more people washing their hands which might help reduce illness. I know I don't like being sick I'm a bear when I'm sick it irritates the hell out of me that something I can't see can make me feel so bad, I'd rather have an injury that I know how it happened.
And over the years I worked as a janitor in a college science building(also pt at a day care and a rest home) and I did run cultures on many surfaces amazingly the trash barrels next to the professors desk were one of the cleaner places in fact so were the toilet seats . It was the door handles and desktops that had the most filth (germs/viruses/bacteria). But once again if people had easy access to sinks they would wash their hands more and that is where the germs transfer from. Perhaps some people would just wash them because it's right there and it's convenient they wouldn't even have to go in the restroom.

GOOD GOD! I used to fear nuclear war.......bbbbut now I see the real threat
AHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I did not say everywhere I said restrooms and eventually all bathrooms get remolded. At sporting events I'm not suprised who doesn't think there a animal when there; even I do but I wash my hands to get the crap off that I may have picked up from someone else. It has nothing to do with being a tough guy; am I supposed to be impressed by someone NOT washing their hands.

no, but you shouldnt worry about the result of others not doing it as much as you apparently do. As I have been saying over and over, its not a big freakin deal. You'll live.

Hand washing is a big deal! It cost us billions$ in unnecessary emergency room visits because of viruses,germs,bacteria. I have taken your input to mean you are against the idea...ok. Does anyone else think this has any merit and do they have any idea how to go about changing the way things are done.

I think I'll pass on getting a staff infection thank you very much

have you ever had one? all it take is a small cut,scratch or whatever, it ain't fun or comfortable

I'm not sure about your house, but we try to keep fecal matter confined to the bathroom, but if you think it makes no difference there are germs everywhere, I think you need some education on the subject. There are good germs or bacteria too ya know, those are the ones that battle the bad stuff. I don't think fecal bacteria is a good bacteria.

I'll keep washing my hands and bug my kids to do the same

I don't think Jimmy is saying Don't Wash your Hands....he's saying Don't Freak out about the germs.

Which I think is true.......people tend to be overly paranoid about the whole germ thing, Disenfectant This and Hand Sanitizer that. Good ones and Bad ones are everywhere and there really isn't anything you can do to keep yourself germ free...outside of living in a plastic bubble.

If you got kids you might as well just wave the white flag...they go to the Public Petri Dish everyday for school anyways.

On a lighter note
 

Would this help get more people to wash their hands
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u...andsplease.gifjust to lighten the mood.

exactly, but thats just me tweakin' my story....
I've tried to rephrase it many ways - be a man, dont worry about it, you'll survive, etc....the risk of catching anything from a bathroom is incredibly slim. This thread was about OTHERS washing their hands, not you.

Germs are everywhere....it is not necessarily about the germs and exposure to them...it is about your immunity and ability to fight of infection. Guess how you get immunity: exposure!

There are things that we have no immunity to that hand washing can eliminate.

Yeah, I got that from your 1st post.....

I'm amazed people here are this paranoid about germs considering they Handle eels, pogies, stripers and other fish that swim in their own "toilet" on a regular basis.

you always did understand me.

:hihi:

I don't like getting sick and if more people washed there hands then there would be less sick people. My hand washing isn't going to prevent all illnesses but it does lower my risk of many. I am somewhat surprised that some people have such strong opinions when it comes to hand washing. It only takes a minute and it might just prevent you from getting sick.

I'd be willing to bet that 98+% of the people that do wash their hands do it in a way (majority of the time) to be non-effective at decontamination of the hands.....false sense of security? Have you ever watched a surgeon scrub for an operation?

I am sure you are correct but hey I'll take some effort compared to none. At least try to look considerate, civilized or just well mannered.

this thread has evolved from concerns over dirty bathroom door handles to the merits of hand washing to control germs.

this about sums it up....

YouTube - The Odd Couple TV Show Opening Theme Season Two 1970

My intentions were to see if anyone knew how to get the practice of put the sinks inside the restroom changed to the outside, some sort of design/code type change. It's all Barry's fault I find myself looking everywhere for change but there doesn't seem to be any.

write your congressman and get a bill passed that will fund a study on how to get that done and if it needs to be done, to spend our tax money and stimulate the economy and in the end no conclusion will happen because by the time the study about the subject is complete our government will be broke and bankrupt.

and I just watched a video where a guy grabs a shiner, drops it on the bathroom floor, picks it up ( I assume it was the same one) and eats it:yak5:
didn't even wash it off or get a different one:uhuh::biglaugh::rotf2:

you don't want to get mercer on you, other stuff I understand , your immunity can handle most stuff.
But if your immunity is compromised for whatever reason, overworked and tired or you have a lung disease, you can get sick from others who don't take a moment to wash their hands. THAT is a shame.

Hand washing is the easiest and best way to prevent disease. From the flu to polio. Most viral disease is spread through the fecal/oral route. In other words you've been handed sh!t and ate it without knowing.

I emailed the CDC and got back what I would consider form letter info. It would appear they didn't even read my short message:

Sent: 1/22/2010 12:20:42 PM
To: cdcinfo@cdc.gov
Subject: A possible way to reduce the spread of disease

I would like the sinks for restrooms put outside of the restrooms. I think if everyone handles a door they think is dirty (it is) they will wash their hands.

Benefits:

Less floorspace needed for sinks (both men and women use the same sink).
People would be in the view of other so they would be more likely to wash.(employees must wash)
Less cost because there would be less sickness because of more hand washing.
Less paper towel waste because you wouldn't need the extra piece to open the door.
Less paper towel on the floor because people would be in view of everyone.
The only people I could see being against this would be the people who don't wash now.

What do you think?
How do I go about making this happen?

Their reply:

Thank you for your inquiry to CDC-INFO. In response to your request for information on how the flu virus is spread, related to the current H1N1 flu outbreak, we are pleased to provide you with the following information and resources.

The spread of 2009 H1N1 virus is thought to happen in the same way that seasonal influenza (flu) spreads within homes or communities. Flu viruses are spread mainly from person to person through coughing or sneezing by people who are sick with flu. People may become infected by touching something with flu viruses on it, and then touching their mouth or nose before washing their hands.

This H1N1 flu virus is new. Scientific research is being conducted to better understand its characteristics. Because this is a situation that is rapidly changing with new information available, please visit the CDC website CDC 2009 H1N1 Flu where you will find the latest updates posted daily.

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Keeping hands clean is 1 of the best ways to prevent the spread of flu (influenza) in a business setting. Washing your hands with soap and water for at least 20 seconds (the time it takes to sing "Happy Birthday" twice) is the best way to keep your hands from spreading a virus. Be sure to wash both sides of the hands, between fingers and under the nails.

If you can't wash your hands with soap and water:
* Alcohol-based hand cleaners containing at least 60 percent alcohol can be used. After applying, rub hands until dry. However, hand rubs should not be used when hands are visibly soiled.
* If you don't have an alcohol-based hand rub, other hand cleaners (that don't have alcohol in them) may kill flu germs on hands. However, there isn't as much information about whether these types of hand cleaners are effective.

Until you are able to get vaccinated, the best way to help fight 2009 H1N1 influenza (flu) is to cover your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze, then throw the tissue away. Wash your hands often with soap and water, especially after coughing or sneezing. Stay home if you're sick, and limit contact with others to keep from infecting them.

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I am afraid that my lack of a college education has put me at a disadvantage because I cannot properly communicate with others. It doesn't even seem as though they read it. I would have at least replied back with a simple:
We will look into the idea.
Thank you, CDC

It's nice to be able to wrap people up as exaggerated stereotypes that never really existed outside of TV Land....Makes dealing with them easier.

for the record I AM a hand washer but I for one would NOT want to wash my hands in the same sink that all men and women have now used......you guys pull out the deal and then turn the faucet on? Now I have to turn on the same faucet? Its like I just touched mr> wiggles. Granted I am then washing my hands, sorry no offense, but still no thanks!

I will take my chances on washing and then having to touch the door handle.

If its so bad to you why dont you carry one of those little bottles of hand sanitizer with you?

I spent a lot of years doing janitorial work and I can tell you from first hand experience the things women pull out in the ladies room that are far worse then what a man might be handling. Plus when it comes to filthy restrooms the womans is the worst hands down, it isn't even a competition, let me just say men don't hover. Plus you don't even want to handle the faucet after a guy ...Why?
I'm not saying "it's so bad" as you put it I am simply saying if more people would wash their hands then we would all be better off. People seem to just look at this has some germaphobic type issue, I'm not a germaphobe I simply find it RUDE AND IGNORANT when people don't wash their hands.

Jimmy,,, You did write the above posts right????? :fishin:

and if you look,,, I gave you facts that were just the start of some of the things that are very serious and were POST SPECIFIC to your posts,,,,,,,, Correct,,,, :uhuh::uhuh:

As far as your proof,,,,I don't see facts,,, just stuff from random searches (your words) on the internet which = Nonsense,,,,,,,,,,,

I couldn't wait to read this tonight,,,,, I think I struck a nerve,,,:uhuh::uhuh:,,,:rotf2::rotf2:

Funny, when I read Jenn's post I was going to post the same thing.....I was a janitor for a couple years back in and after high School....Women's room were the worst.

hmm...maybe I am way off on this one, or maybe the "woman" stuff is "acceptable risk" to me. Either way men and womens using the same sink makes for twice the amount of people slobering their germs in one place, no?

Actually with all of the motion sensor style fixtures they have no one would have to touch the faucet, soap or even the paper towel dispenser. And as far as the male and female germs they are for the most part the same. I would just like to make it so more people would wash their hands so that less people would become sick. Businesses could actually put a camera that would monitor employees exiting the restroom and see if they wash their hands.