Rubber duck just fell from the ceiling...

It is amazing how the obvious escapes people

yep

I don't think anyone is arguing that she shouldn't be held accountable.

The context of the thread is RIJIMMY thinking she should be immediately dragged to the border in shackles. These aren't the consequences that typically accompany her violation.

-spence

These are the consequences and this is what should happen to her if found guilty.

No, I just want her arrested. But instead she is being paraded around by liberals trying to use her as a political pawn. And to top it off, as I highlighted in the initial post, latinos are now putting up 5 million for adds against Whitman! So how does that help their cause? Now wealthy people will think twice before hiring anyone of latin decent, it will BACKFIRE on them!

Tis the season.

She doesn't serve their interests.

I doubt it, unless there's a flood of legal workers out to perform low skilled labor people will still hire who they can get regardless.

-spence

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At $27 an hour, would you rather flip burgers?

We discussed this earlier in the thread. I don't think this part of the code is applicable to her situation. The laws appear to delineate between those trying to get over the border, those who just recently crossed the border and those who have been here some time.

Sort of like meteor, meteorite and meteoroid :hihi:

-spence

Amazing to me how some have so much empathy for illegal immigrants
who can come here legally if they choose, and so little empathy for the ones
who wait on line to take their turn to come legally.

Are you saying there is a statute of limitations attached to this that equals the length of time it takes you to get way with it and enter the country

nevermind using false documentation

so - we know the Whitmans produced tax forms

Do we know if the illegal paid taxes? What SS # would she use? The fake one she gave the whitmans?

I bet she is guilty of immigrating illegally, using false documentation AND tax evasion. Now does she deserve to be arrested?

I'd venture a guess that it has more to do with the fact that if someone has been here for some time, there's likely no evidence that they violated that specific section of code. I'm not an immigration attorney, but everything I've read indicates that simply being here without a visa is a civil offense under Federal law.

-spence

I believe illegals contribute quite a bit to SS without receiving any benefits. Many also seem to pay taxes...I don't think the IRS really cares who sends them money.

What I do find interesting though, is that your animosity is directed entirely at the house cleaner, and not at the billionaire who received her services for what looks like 6 years after she likely knew the woman's status was suspect.

-spence

Emphasis on SEEM to pay taxes. They claim a rediculous number of dependents (I have heard 10 or so) and figure the microscopic little that gets witheld is price of admission to get their children and unwed spouse free stuff... Don't forget Auntie Zituni

Not having proper documentation is some evidence that they have violated that section of the code. And it is certain evidence that some part of the code has been violated. The civil offense of being here without a visa is also subject to deportation. Even overstaying your visa faces you with removal proceedings to be deported from the U.S. If you overstay your visa for more than 180 days but less than a year you will face deportation and be inadmissible to the U.S. for three years. If you overstay it for more than a year, you will be inadmissible for 10 years. Not having a visa, a green card, or proper immigration papers is evidence of your breaking immigration law and makes you subject to deportation.

The woman Whitman fired, if the code is to be enforced, should be deported.

If it can be proved that Whitman did something illegal, she should be prosecuted. If not, it's typical oxymoronic dirty politics, and the voters should decide on the merits of the candidates' policies, not on mudslinging distractions.

Yup, same old, same old politics.

If you can't win on your record snow them with :bs:

Spence, you need a little common sense, seriously.
Its pretty well documented that thr Whitmans had all the correct documentation from the housekeeper. The agency had all the right documents from the housekeeper. When the Whitmans received the letter that the SSN may have a problem, the letter was full of legal disclaimers saying this this is not an indication of any issues. The husband wrote a note and had the housekeeper look into it. I've read that imiigration attorneys siad there was not much more the WHitmans could have done. So you say "she likely knew", this is the common sense part.......Whitman was running a multi-million dollar company, I'd guess shes traveling 20 days out of the month? So, you really think she "likely" knew? In her spare time she pondered the citizenship of her HOUSEKEEPER???? The Whitmans did everything by the book, everything.
The housekeeper, illiegally entered the country, falsified documentation, and lied to her employer. She was subsequently fired and is now suing her employer.
Yes, I am faulting the housekeeper, she is a CRIMINAL.
Hell, I had a buddy get caught with a fake id when he was 18 and it caused tons of legal issues for him, this lady looks to be the vicitim and so far has not been charged. Incredible.

I think your assumption that immigrants choose to come here illegally (while legal options are readily available) isn't really true, not at least for the bulk of unskilled workers who enter the country to perform lower skilled work. There are quotas for these categories of applicants and very few are actually approved each year. Not to mention the cost which can be quite prohibitive.

Rightly so, the process doesn't want to take just anybody. A good question might be if the quotas are aligned with the demand. I've read that they are not, but don't know for sure. I've also read that in a few decades we may actually be trying to entice low skilled workers into the USA to keep the economy moving.

-spence

Maybe the Quotas would be higher if there were more jobs readily available for unskilled worker....if the bulk of these jobs weren't already being performed by people who came here illegally.

Entice Away...if the economy dictates that we need to increase our demand for Unskilled immigrant workers then the government might actually decrease all the red tape that is needed to enter the country. Wouldn't that make it easier for people to enter legally....the illegals may be shooting themselves in the foot by bypassing the system.

I believe deportation is a likely option, but not mandatory. Don't civil offenders go before an immigration judge who ultimately decides their fate? They could be deported, told to leave or given a stay for hardship...

It's certainly mudslinging, no doubt about that. Dirty and underhanded? Probably...but also high quality stuff ;)

But it also does highlight the issue, that many while standing for stronger laws on illegal immigration also benefit from it. Another report just out alleges Lou Dobbs has the same conflict.

At least Colin Powell had the stones to just come out and say it.

-spence

The maid entered the country illegally, which if she was trying to build a better life and was not breaking any other laws, is somehitng we can all relate to.

However, she also obtained someone else's social security number, and claimed that as her own. That's another crime.

Furthermore, this woman (the illegal) is now letting political operative sattack her former employer. The Whitmans paid her $23 an hour, which is triple the minimum wage. This is how she pays back the Whitmans, by trying to derail her campaign?

That illegal immigration benefits many (lower wages for employers/lower prices for consumers, etc. . .) is not some new "issue" that needs highlighting. Nor is it highlighted in this case. The Whitman's were not paying low wages, and the "issue" is using the woman as high quality dirt to influence an election.

I don't know about Lou Dobbs "conflict." Is someone slinging high quality mud at him? Does it concern the voters of California? The fact that many, if not most of us, not just Dobbs, Whitman, or whoever is fortunate enough to get "reported," benefit in some way from illegals is irrelevent to the illegality and the HARM it does to us as a nation. It is wiser to give up small gains that lead to large destruction.