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SAUERKRAUT 10-16-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rmarsh (Post 802067)
I have been disapointed with lures that have hooks that will marry or get hung up on each other on the cast. A certain custom wood plug I bought does this and it sucks.
Had the belly hook swivel snap off of a another companies needlefish on two consecutive nights. Two different needlefish same company.
I don't want to mention names here.

If you don't mention the needlefish in order to preserve PC-ness, then I will: Rhode Island Lures Cape Cod Cruiser needlefish.

chuckg 10-17-2010 02:26 PM

On the Mambos, there's a company in China, probably turns out a billion of them a year, sold under different names. You see them all the time for $3.00 at fishing shows. Netcraft used to sell the 7 inch model w/o hooks for $2.50/plug...

Gobi 10-17-2010 03:55 PM

Agree with you. They are absolute CRAP. (The one I'm referring to specifically was bought because they were priced right, or so I thought at the time. I figured RI company, cool. Well, then someone told me this particular plug is just a knock off made in China that uses a local name. I'm clarifying just so there's no confusion with any genuine RI lure maker. Kapish?)

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Originally Posted by SAUERKRAUT (Post 802789)
If you don't mention the needlefish in order to preserve PC-ness, then I will: Rhode Island Lures Cape Cod Cruiser needlefish.


Just n time 10-18-2010 06:46 AM

A dozen new plugs, :jump1:The salty's needle in various colors looks like a good foundation to start with.Everything is going to be new new new!!!

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 09:21 AM

Northbar Darters....

t.orlando 10-18-2010 02:09 PM

Lemire Plugs jitterbug. Baught 1 to goof around with, made 2 casts, each 1 fouled.

Fishoholic 10-18-2010 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by joe the plumber (Post 803141)
Northbar Darters....

Really??

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishoholic (Post 803254)
Really??

Fishoholic,

I knew I would get a responce like yours....Yes,its true.I just can't seem to catch fish with these plugs and you know what that means....no confidence in it when I do fish it...Thats not the plugs fault.

I am sure it is a fine plug under the right conditions,so I'm not "really" cracking on it.Just responding with my answer to the post.

Joe

rizzo 10-18-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by american spirit (Post 802291)
i'm sure they have their place, but the gags slammer i believe is what they are. no good, acts like a sail. casts 10 feet. i think it's more of a boat plug.

I agree, they constant line catch, and tumble. I dont trust them at all for holding up to fish... BUT I know a guy that has taken two 50"+ fish on these lures from the shore. They work in a handful of unique circumstances.

Fishoholic 10-18-2010 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by joe the plumber (Post 803260)
Fishoholic,

I knew I would get a responce like yours....Yes,its true.I just can't seem to catch fish with these plugs and you know what that means....no confidence in it when I do fish it...Thats not the plugs fault.

I am sure it is a fine plug under the right conditions,so I'm not "really" cracking on it.Just responding with my answer to the post.

Joe

Thanks for the response. You are the first person I've heard knock them so I was curious. I know what you mean with the confidence thing. Until this year I had never caught a fish on a needle and consequently hated them. I'd never give them longer than 5 or 6 casts and I was re-tying.. I'd often think about what I would tie on after the needle before I even tied it on. It took several fish to finally gain some confidence in them.. Now I fish them all the time.. And actually catch stuff :buds:

BigFish 10-18-2010 03:31 PM

Just so you guys know its not just as easy as tying on a plug and BANG you catch fish on it!! Many plugs you really have to learn to use them and when you do....a properly worked plug can be devastating in certain situations!:uhuh:

rizzo 10-18-2010 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by joe the plumber (Post 803260)
Fishoholic,

I knew I would get a responce like yours....Yes,its true.I just can't seem to catch fish with these plugs and you know what that means....no confidence in it when I do fish it...Thats not the plugs fault.

I am sure it is a fine plug under the right conditions,so I'm not "really" cracking on it.Just responding with my answer to the post.

Joe

The northbars were like a bass magnet for me this year. Best plug as far as numbers and size go. I'm thinking about trying them as skin plugs next year... I wouldn't give up on them yet!

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 803296)
Just so you guys know its not just as easy as tying on a plug and BANG you catch fish on it!! Many plugs you really have to learn to use them and when you do....a properly worked plug can be devastating in certain situations!:uhuh:

DAM!! And I thought it WAS that easy.....:grins:

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rizzo (Post 803297)
The northbars were like a bass magnet for me this year. Best plug as far as numbers and size go. I'm thinking about trying them as skin plugs next year... I wouldn't give up on them yet!

Ok....No BS. I'm gonna throw a couple in the bag for tomorrow night.I will let you guys know how I do.....Serious.

Joe

BigFish 10-18-2010 04:12 PM

I don't mean to sound insulting Joe but alot of guys think its just that easy?

joe the plumber 10-18-2010 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish (Post 803310)
I don't mean to sound insulting Joe but alot of guys think its just that easy?

Oh no...I don't think you sound insulting at all.Your comment was appropiate.I was just having a little fun because I agree with you.

You don't know me and its tough with this kind of communication.You can't see or hear the guy talking....I have a little sarcastic edge to my sence of humor.Just ask Gatta Fish....

Joe

jimmy z 10-18-2010 09:14 PM

Any plug that doesn't swim the way it is supposed to. Or the lack of action, thereof:)

BassDawg 10-19-2010 05:01 AM

ANY plug with~~~


,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,RHM emblazoned on the side,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

never have swum well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,prolly never will!
:smash: :smash: :smash:


hard tellin', not knowin',,,,,,,,,,,,,,,with Big F Larry's craftsmansheep!
as i haven't had the privelege of sending any of his wood to the sea.

am hoping to win one, shamelessly whore one, or perhaps find one
~~~wedged amongst the bubbleweed and lobster pots~~~
:bl: :bl: :bl:

Raven 10-19-2010 06:36 AM

so the plastic plugs according to Woody's comment
only differ in density
correct?

which allows them to be a slimmer profile

which might explain why wooden pencils are more consistent
fish catchers....:fishin:

just trying to get behind the "science" of shape and density here.:uhuh:

JohnR 10-19-2010 07:03 AM

Joe - the northbars work, haven't used them too often this year but I have caught on them.

tattoobob 10-19-2010 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 803453)
Joe - the northbars work, haven't used them too often this year but I have caught on them.

With our luck John maybe we should try them more

Rmarsh 10-19-2010 03:08 PM

I tried the plastic Northbar bottledarter this year and it caught fish for me under the right conditions. Dropping tide at an inlet with current and whitewater.

joe the plumber 10-19-2010 04:35 PM

Well...I said yesterday that I would throw a couple of nbd's in the bag for tonights fishing,but with this big,glorious,nearly full moon with no clouds to tone it down,I am opting out and doing first light Wednesday.

I will see what happens.....

Clogston29 10-20-2010 06:08 AM

gags was able to convince me to buy some crap early on in my surf fishing days (squidzee and slammer). i still like the mambo in the small size, but only in the solid colors (herring is really the only one I use, though I also like the pogie), the flash ones are very inconsistant (some swim and some don't).

i like to think i've become alittle more informed since and tend to buy less crap. a quick walk around rissa or msba shows in the spring and you'll see alot of crap lures. before buying anything, i'd look around for some reviews from people who seam to know what's up. in the end, your probably best off sticking with basic plugs (plastic swimmers, needles, dannys, juniors, shads) in basic colors (white, yellow/white, black/burple, herring) by the established brands / makers (bomber, redfin, habs, afterhours, salty, beachmaster, superstrike) and picking up some different stuff once you really know what your looking for.

BassDawg 10-21-2010 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Clogston29 (Post 803740)
gags was able to convince me to buy some crap early on in my surf fishing days (squidzee and slammer). i still like the mambo in the small size, but only in the solid colors (herring is really the only one I use, though I also like the pogie), the flash ones are very inconsistant (some swim and some don't).

i like to think i've become alittle more informed since and tend to buy less crap. a quick walk around rissa or msba shows in the spring and you'll see alot of crap lures. before buying anything, i'd look around for some reviews from people who seam to know what's up. in the end, your probably best off sticking with basic plugs (plastic swimmers, needles, dannys, juniors, shads) in basic colors (white, yellow/white, black/burple, herring) by the established brands / makers (bomber, redfin, habs, afterhours, salty, beachmaster, superstrike) and picking up some different stuff once you really know what your looking for.

ALL good builders,,,,,,,,,,,,

i would ADD these two to the above~~~

Surf Asylum by David Anderson of "The Fisherman". he was building lures LOOONG before editing, and his wood is unique in his interpretation of how best to WORK the surf, from top to bottom. very serious action and well worth the investment, imho. LUV Dave's swimmers, poppers, and WISH he would bring back the Slopey's!!! if they're there, this wood will find them!

Tattoo by Mike Dauphin. excellent darters, and pencils, and jointed eeels, and his 'sea pups' are his version of the spook. good colors and the lures hold-up to decent sized feesh! definitely have one each(sm/lg) of his darters~~ yellow for the B'ways/Ditch, blurple for any holes you might know~~ and at least one of his swimmers. worth every penny and must haves for dahtahs, imho, THEY catch feesh!

The Dad Fisherman 10-21-2010 06:53 AM

LIFishInVt Dahtahs :kewl:

fishbones 10-21-2010 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BassDawg (Post 804013)
Tattoo by Mike Dauphin. excellent darters, and pencils, and jointed eeels, and his 'sea pups' are his version of the spook. good colors and the lures hold-up to decent sized feesh! definitely have one each(sm/lg) of his darters~~ yellow for the B'ways/Ditch, blurple for any holes you might know~~ and at least one of his swimmers. worth every penny and must haves for dahtahs, imho, THEY catch feesh!

Are you sure Tattoo makes pencils? I've never seen one anywhere. I love the Sea Pup and Sea Dog spooks, though.

Mike P 10-21-2010 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 804065)
Are you sure Tattoo makes pencils? I've never seen one anywhere. I love the Sea Pup and Sea Dog spooks, though.

I don't think he ever made them for commercial sale, at least when Habs was still alive. Mike started building with Habs, and when he went out on his own, as I was told (not firsthand) there was sort of an agreement that they wouldn't make plug styles that the other made. Mike made swimmers, darters and spooks, and John made needles, poppers and pencils.

I'm sure that they built plugs for themselves, because I saw John's bag a few times ;) And John did make "show plugs" when he had booths at MSBA and RISAA, including beautiful Atom 40 models. But never for mass distribution, I believe.

But it's very possible that Mike ran off pencils for friends and they got passed around.

joe the plumber 10-21-2010 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 804020)
LIFishInVt Dahtahs :kewl:

One of the best in my opinion...

BassDawg 10-21-2010 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by fishbones (Post 804065)
Are you sure Tattoo makes pencils? I've never seen one anywhere. I love the Sea Pup and Sea Dog spooks, though.

ooooops, i may have misspoke! my bad, but ya know how when ya take the plug outta the pkg and it sits in your plug bag forever, and then you're going thru yer plugs and you think this one's a ________ and that one's made by _________??

then that amazing pencil must belong to one of Li'l Rhody's fine independent builders. thanks for clearing that up, bonesy!!
:btu: :btu: :btu:

Just n time 10-22-2010 01:32 AM

Yankee lures and storm seem to be right up there on the plugs that suck list. Gibbs has seen a big decline in quality, almost everything sold at bass pro shops is ok at best.Hope all my fishing bros are catching lots of fish,I probably quit a little to early this year as I got some news from a buddy upcape that there were lots of fish now invading the Nauset Chatam area and no one was fishing up there. He smoked a 40+ pounder recently. oh well.....

SeaWolf 10-22-2010 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike P (Post 804233)
I don't think he ever made them for commercial sale, at least when Habs was still alive. Mike started building with Habs, and when he went out on his own, as I was told (not firsthand) there was sort of an agreement that they wouldn't make plug styles that the other made. Mike made swimmers, darters and spooks, and John made needles, poppers and pencils.

I'm sure that they built plugs for themselves, because I saw John's bag a few times ;) And John did make "show plugs" when he had booths at MSBA and RISAA, including beautiful Atom 40 models. But never for mass distribution, I believe.

But it's very possible that Mike ran off pencils for friends and they got passed around.

mike makes walking sticks, 1oz. they are one of the best lures for albies and burritos. it's essentially a small PP.

The Dad Fisherman 10-22-2010 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Just n time (Post 804377)
Yankee lures and storm seem to be right up there on the plugs that suck list.

Wow...Yankee and Suck in the same sentence....If I only had a nickle...:hihi:


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