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fishbones 01-06-2011 12:42 PM

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RIJIMMY 01-06-2011 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 824618)
. Obama still seeks to further his agenda and the interests of the American people. -spence

you never cease to amuse me. Obama seeks to further the interests of SOME american people. He has been very outspoken about NOT furthering the interests of -
1. successful people who do not rely on government support
2. People making over 200K per year and even more damaging, FAMILILES making 250k per year
3. American citizens who compete for jobs with illegal aliens

He is working very hard to further the interests of those that rely on the government.

PaulS 01-06-2011 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 824616)
You're comparing those 2 things. A child knows they are different.

So you think I'm comparing 2 different things and I'm a "child"?

RIJIMMY 01-06-2011 02:22 PM

Paul, hurry up, call him "classy" !

Jim in CT 01-06-2011 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 824741)
So you think I'm comparing 2 different things and I'm a "child"?

No. I'm saying that you're comparing 2 things that are extremely different.

If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting an equivalence between...

(1) House republicans, who have been in occice 2 days, are pledging to reduce the debt.

(2) Nancy Pelosi, after increasing the debt by $5 trillion, says that debt reduction was her mantra.

The second thing is an irrefutable lie. As for the 1st thing, the GOP hasn't had time to do anything yet, so we don't know if they are being honest. In other words, there is no evidence (yet) that Boehner lied about reducing the debt. There is insurmountable evidence that Pelosi lied.

As I said, you seem to be comparing two very different things. You're comparing an obvious liar with someone who may or may not be proven to be a liar. Or did I misunderstand your post, which is quite possible?

spence 01-06-2011 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 824694)
you never cease to amuse me. Obama seeks to further the interests of SOME american people. He has been very outspoken about NOT furthering the interests of -
1. successful people who do not rely on government support
2. People making over 200K per year and even more damaging, FAMILILES making 250k per year
3. American citizens who compete for jobs with illegal aliens

He is working very hard to further the interests of those that rely on the government.

Jim, think a little about this. I said his "agenda" and the "interests" of the people. There are little things like national defense that I think we'd all agree are important. Do you think Obama will let the Afghanistan war funding dry up because the House wants to cut some domestic program? Not likely...they'll work out a deal.

Perhaps you need to take a breather before responding to posts.

-spence

Piscator 01-06-2011 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 824618)
I highly doubt that's the case. Obama still seeks to further his agenda and the interests of the American people.

-spence

Spence, my opinion is that it appears Obama's agenda is very different than the interests of the American people (and I’m not including the free loaders of this great country as the American people). He doesn't seem to know the interests of the American people...

The Dad Fisherman 01-06-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 824741)
So you think I'm comparing 2 different things and I'm a "child"?

Yeah, I was surprised the "Condescension Police" didn't jump all over that....I've seen them bust other people's balls for less. :hihi:

detbuch 01-06-2011 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 824579)
I think this is true to a point, but am not sure the problem of the national debt can be solved with spending cuts alone over the next decade. This certainly seemed to be the opinion of the debt commission who know a hell of a lot more about this than I do (one would hope).

When I spoke of no money to fund bloated spending and not raising taxes to create that condition, I specifically referred to it as an argument for cutting spending rather than raising taxes as the best way to reduce the DEFICIT. As you said, most people interchange or confuse DEBT and DEFICIT. However, since you mention it, the debt certainly won't be reduced, not only over the next ten years, but ever, if the budget is constantly in deficit. The problem with raising taxes to eliminate the deficit, even if it is only an added measure in tandem with reduced spending, is, as we both agree, the incoming revenue will be spent. What's more, if not even worse, the "economy" is not a static universe. It is dynamic and reacts to taxation, usually in a negative way as taxes rise. So you may well have less income with higher taxes as the "economy" shrinks. And, by trying to "stimulate" the "economy" with an influx of government deficit spending and borrowing weakens the dollar and deflates the value of people's savings and property, which in turn, can lead to a decrease in government revenue while increasing the debt. It's a dog not only chasing its tail but eating it. The only way to stop the beast is to starve it. Put it on a crash diet of no goodies--only what is essential. The Federal Government must relinquish the mass of programs that it has, unconstitutionally IMHO, stolen from the people. Let us be more and more responsible, and let the Federales do only what the Constitution allows. Of course, that cat is out of the bag, and it may never be put back.

That being said, I do see wisdom in the Conservative idea that if the money is there it will get spent. This is as true as extra cash in your pocket or that tub of ice cream in the freezer (i.e. human nature). The key is restraint, and why I think most people don't trust either party, they're looking for responsibility which has been in short supply regardless of who's in charge of the pocket book.

-spence

Let's keep voting them out till they get the message.

PaulS 01-07-2011 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 824742)
Paul, hurry up, call him "classy" !

you know classy, right? LOL

PaulS 01-07-2011 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 824745)
As I said, you seem to be comparing two very different things. You're comparing an obvious liar with someone who may or may not be proven to be a liar. Or did I misunderstand your post, which is quite possible?

what I said in previous posts is that if the Repub. don't reduce the budget this year then they'd have to be 1 of the 3 you mentioned. I also said that if they do keep their promise, so be it and let them be rewarded for keeping it. I don't think they'll do it, but we'll see. There is no difference in my mind b/t the 2 parties and I don't think many people here recognize that.

RIJIMMY 01-07-2011 11:28 AM

there are INCREDIBLE ideological differences.

justplugit 01-07-2011 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& (Post 824632)
BEST picture I seen in years.

http://www.drudgereport.com/hr.jpg

Now if they can just get the other jackbag out of there we'd be all set :spam:


LOL, TWO govt. employees to take down a 3 ft 2 screw sign.
Wonder what the salaries, benes, retirement and screw gun cost us?

That about says it all. :smash:

RIJIMMY 01-07-2011 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 825008)
what I said in previous posts is that if the Repub. don't reduce the budget this year then they'd have to be 1 of the 3 you mentioned. I also said that if they do keep their promise, so be it and let them be rewarded for keeping it. I don't think they'll do it, but we'll see. There is no difference in my mind b/t the 2 parties and I don't think many people here recognize that.

on our way!

Washington (CNN) -- Defense Secretary Robert Gates staged a pre-emptive attack Thursday in Washington's looming budget battles, announcing cuts of $78 billion to the U.S. military and defense department, including reducing the size of the Army and Marine Corps.

In addition, Gates said the Army, Navy and Air Force had found $100 billion of savings that they would retain, allowing them to continue developing major weapons and modernizing their forces over the next five years.

"These reform efforts, followed through to completion, will make it possible to protect the U.S. military's size, reach and fighting strength despite a declining rate of growth and eventual flattening of the defense budget over the next five years," Gates said at the start of a lengthy opening statement at the Pentagon.

Under the Gates plan, the Marine Corps would slash 15,000 to 20,000 people, a 10% reduction. The Army would shrink by 27,000 active duty personnel, 4% cut, on top of an already planned reduction of 22,000 -- for a total of 49,000 fewer soldiers.

JohnnyD 01-07-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 825095)
LOL, TWO govt. employees to take down a 3 ft 2 screw sign.
Wonder what the salaries, benes, retirement and screw gun cost us?

That about says it all. :smash:

It's called a Union work. Probably had a mandatory break after the first screw came out and got hazard pay for needing to use a step ladder.

PaulS 01-07-2011 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY (Post 825081)
there are INCREDIBLE ideological differences.

sorry, I thought the discussion was about their honesty.

Good for Gates. Our military budget is too large. Politicians should stop telling the military what weapon systems they need. Let the military decide what they need based on the threat and not on trying to keep $s in certain districts.

Chesapeake Bill 01-08-2011 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by justplugit (Post 825095)
LOL, TWO govt. employees to take down a 3 ft 2 screw sign.
Wonder what the salaries, benes, retirement and screw gun cost us?

Seems to me there is a memorial at Arlington National Cemetery with several people putting up one small flag...sometimes good things take multiple people to make sure it is done!

I'd be happy to give you my number so I can ignore your call and you can get an idea what slashing the government employee rolls will be like...not that there isn't excess...just don't paint everyone with that brush...we don't come on here and claim that you are just saying that because you didn't get your check...

Swimmer 01-08-2011 12:57 PM

I heard she is going to pose topless in AARP magazine. She has great hooters.

Imagine what the GD sign cost in the first place. Pity the fool who scrathes it taking it down.

stcroixman 01-08-2011 05:39 PM

She has great hooters.

I agree. She is almost 70 I think I wonder what she looked like at 30?

mosholu 01-08-2011 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by stcroixman (Post 825573)
She has great hooters.

I agree. She is almost 70 I think I wonder what she looked like at 30?

In the words of Clemenza, Keep the hooters lose the head.


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