Things are getting uglier tonight...some reports say the Mubarak supporters are being paid to incite violence...hmmmm...

State Department is telling Americans to get out and I noticed the Admin has ratcheted up it's rhetoric throughout the day.

-spence

death spiral

I saw a report yesterday that said one second they were throwing rocks and stones breaking peoples heads open then the next they were hugging and kissing.

WTF :smash:

Keep throwing rocks. They'll have social security, free health insurance and a big stimulus soon.

ANDERSON Cooper should of realized
that his life was in eminent danger

Sure ...you have to be on the edge of the volcano
to see the molten Lava but don't be there when it erupts.

these people are running around shoe less after bottles were
smashed everywhere , so they're obviously going insane.

some coincidences are odd...arent they?

William Jefferson Clinton....
B.J.Clinton


Barack Hussein Obama....

(Mu)barak (Saddam) Hussein O(s)ama Binladen


OBAMA/BIDEN.....Hope&Change

O(s)ama/Bi(nla)den


weird:confused: probably just coincidence

I wonder what ever happened to the people who said that these "types" weren't ready for democracy...that the elections in Iraq would never take place and that for all of his faults, we would have been better leaving a dictator in place because that was the only practical way to keep the various factions in check...these protests may have started as "educated student protests" but these students are highly radicalized in their schools...there is the very real possibility that the new order is far more dangerous and radical than the old...sort of like Iran way back when, I wonder when the executions will begin?...infact, the parallels are striking...if you judge an administration...Carter, Clinton, Obama by how dangerous the world becomes and how empowered foreign aggressors become under their watch...the dems come out WAY UP on top... I guess they are good at something...:uhuh:

Yea, looking like America would sure be a tragedy wouldn't it?
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Obama to the Egyptian Protesters..."we hear your voices"
Obama to the Tea Party Protesters..."bleep you" :biglaugh:

its a shame its getting ugly. For a minute I thought this may be a positive sign and could lead to a new world in the middle east.

name one thing that is involved with islamic religion and a power struggle that doesnt get ugly???


people will be shooting i a few days when they start getting even more frustrated.

A few days..there was shooting going on today over there

Google will take over Egypt.

getting real interesting there now.


That was pretty interesting what they were doing.

now get back to work

IT's getting clearer ever day that Obama is clueless. CIA a total lack of what's going on. Sound familier???

not going to be pretty....

Obama, Panetta and Clapper...= Larry, Mo, Curly:uhuh:

hey, just looking at the protesters signs it is very apparent that Egypt has a much higher English language functional literacy rate than Detroit, Michigan

Hosni should find a Giant gavel and march right through the protesters like Pelosi did with her gang of thugs and see how things turn out :rotf2:...I mean, these peaceful, educated Egyptian student protesters are far more civil that the evil, ignorant Tea Party types :uhuh:

What drives me crazy is the lack of the President's support for the people
in the recent uprising in Iran, where Ahmadinejad is close to
having nuclear weapons, supports terrorism against us, and
vows to destroy Israel.

Then when it comes to Egypt and Mubarak, our ally, a stable influence in the region, our President supports the people's uprising within a few days.
OK if it ends in a pro American democratic election, but a tragedy if the WB becomes a part of the government and has a say in the direction of the country.
Time will tell.

This is a bit more complicated than rooting at a Pats game. There's a lot of US meddling in their affairs over the years and generally speaking not a lot of trust in the US.

I think Obama has done a good job of voicing support for the Democratic institutions and walking a very find line to not make the US look like flaming hypocrites. We won't know for a while the full story of what's been done behind the scenes, but first look says this could end up being a very positive change.

What's perhaps most important is that one of the largest Islamic nations has led a completely peaceful coup. The precedent this sets is...we'll...perhaps unprecedented.

-spence

Thanks so much Spence, for breaking it down so even I can understand. :hee:

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What's perhaps most important is that one of the largest Islamic nations has led a completely peaceful coup. -spence[/QUOTE

right, almost noone died or was injured.....

A-jad and Chavez like democracy too :uhuh: and Obama, Carter etc. approve of those "democracies"

This wasn't a violent protest...certainly there was some, especially with what looks to have been police instigation or the general break down of control leading to criminal activity, but this didn't appear to be driven by the thrust of the protesters.

Hell, I remember fires in the streets, people being beaten up, bottles thrown at police and getting tear gassed.

VEISHA at Iowa State 1994 :hihi:

-spence

By Tom Perry

CAIRO, Feb 9 (Reuters) - In Tahrir Square, the memory of young Egyptians killed in the revolt against President Hosni Mubarak has mobilised more opposition to his 30-year rule.

For those who saw fellow protesters die, some clubbed by men claiming loyalty to Mubarak, others shot by police, the toll of "martyrs of the revolution" has hardened their resolve.

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"All (four) were killed by gunshot, with one hit in the head," said Dr Mohammed Ismail, at a makeshift clinic in Abdulmenem Riad Square, next to Tahrir (Liberation) Square, taking the death toll over the past 24 hours to seven.

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"Most of the casualties came in in the last three hours, many with gunshot wounds," he told AFP early morning, putting the total wounded toll since Wednesday at more than 1,000 people.

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One in 10 people have some kind of visible injury, an AFP correspondent said, with volunteers distributing food and clothing to the exhausted protesters

from yesterday's NY Times


“In the process many have formed some unusual bonds that reflect the singularly nonideological character of the Egyptian youth revolt, which encompasses liberals, socialists and members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

‘I like the Brotherhood most, and they like me,’ said Sally Moore, a 32-year-old psychiatrist, a Coptic Christian and an avowed leftist and feminist of mixed Irish-Egyptian roots. “They always have a hidden agenda, we know, and you never know when power comes how they will behave. But they are very good with organizing, they are calling for a civil state just like everyone else, so let them have a political party just like everyone else’

Seems like you're talking about violence in opposition to the protests.

The military didn't seem to think it was that violent, hell, they just sat on their tanks. Even when it looks like Mubarak might have tried to provoke a violent response the people stayed pretty calm.

Perhaps you're just upset that a big group of Muslims aren't acting like the stereotype you want them to? Hmmmm...

-spence

you said "one of the largest Islamic nations has led a completely peaceful coup" ...not accurate...that's all...insinuate what you want....

I agree. For the most part, a peaceful protest that appears to be working. Maybe GB was right all along!!!

you also left out how many people were arrested and tortured who PAID an ultimate price for the rebellion .........

peaceful HOW?
because they were denied guns and only had stones

they even threw their shoes while running around on broken bottles
most of which were from Molotov cocktails

Mubarak didn't step down because of violence, it was because the people showed their strength through non-violent means. This is precisely why this event is so dramatic.

-spence

I didn't say that he did, but you should google egypt protests and click images and then come back and tell me that it was ...

"a completely peaceful coup....and....non-violent means"

I think you're just a little frustrated BO will take credit for this :hihi:

-spence

according to BO, Panetta and Clapper, the only thing they know is what they learn from watching the news, so...while I'm sure you will cheerfully heap credit on him till it turns bad...not really sure what he had to do with anything....

I'm sure they love Drudge reporting (and Salty broadcasting) that the Admin is out to lunch.

Then the Islamists can't accuse the US of meddling in Muslim affairs :humpty:

-spence

Hmmm, I thought the blood soaked peaceful protesters deserve the credit!! But you are dead on, He will take credit for it.

It happened on his watch, if it turns into a disaster he'll get all the blame.

Looks like Google might get all the credit, along with the protesters.

-spence

Little early, 8 hrs, to proclaim credit or blame.

Good idea to wait a year or two before making any judgements,
this is far from over.

It is interesting how Google and Twitter are covering themselves in glory over this. They were not so quick to claim credit after the disturbances in Iran last year where the government was able to find and arrest dissidents by tracing their social networking accounts

Agree, as I said earlier...headed in the right direction.

Long row to hoe, but the pieces look to be there for something good.

-spence

Ain't marketing great :hihi:

Here it's interesting as a Google exec was actually there helping to lead the protests.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...lution-20.html


-spence

the only organized opposition currently is the Muslim Brotherhood....
is that one of the pieces that you are referring to?


Bakhtiar dissolved SAVAK, freed political prisoners, ordered the army to allow mass demonstrations, promised free elections and [B]invited Khomeinists and other revolutionaries into a government of "national unity".[/B](sound familiar?)

again..NY Times two days ago,,
NY Times
“In the process many have formed some unusual bonds that reflect the singularly nonideological character of the Egyptian youth revolt, which encompasses liberals, socialists and members of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Other opposition groups[50] included constitutionalist liberals — the democratic, reformist Islamic Freedom Movement of Iran, headed by Mehdi Bazargan, and the more secular National Front. They were based in the urban middle class, and wanted the Shah to adhere to the Iranian Constitution of 1906 rather than to replace him with a theocracy,[51] but lacked the cohesion and organization of Khomeini's forces.[52] [COLOR="blue"]([B]who, like the MB were organized and ready to assume control when they took their place in the "unity government[/B]")[/COLOR]( I'm guessing the MB will be well funded and doing a lot of high profile charity work until the elections)

not predicting which way it will go and I'm certainly praying for a US friendly democracy or at least the beginnings perhaps modeled and inspired by Iraq rather than a hostile Islamist state but history seems to be repeating itself....trends in the area as a whole are not encouraging

don't know how many actual protesters there were but there are 7 million people in Cairo and just over 80 million in Egypt hoeing rows

maybe Obama is secretly behind the scenes directing the Egyptian Military and the events(at least that's what the BO loyalist would love to imply) and has everything under control...and he and his people seeming clueless and on completely different pages is just a smoke screen...yeah, that's a good one...I smell another nobel peace prize

http://www.yalibnan.com/2011/02/09/m...-waiting-game/
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In Uncertain Egypt, a Few Certainties

February 11, 2011 3:59 P.M. By Amir Taheri

However, it is clear to me that change in Tunisia was ultimately imposed by the army. In Egypt, on the other hand, the army tried to prop up Mubarak until the last minute. It was the popular uprising that forced Mubarak out. This means that we have just witnessed a genuinely historic moment: the first time an Arab despot has been forced out by a mass movement.

The second certainty is that the Obama administration discredited itself by praising Mubarak to the skies before trying to dictate his departure. That sorry exercise revealed the weakness of the United States while casting it as a fickle friend that might stab you in the back.

The third certainty is that radical anti-democratic forces are already preparing to ambush the new Egypt. The first move in that direction came from Syria last night when its official television station announced “the end of the Camp David peace” with Israel and urged the adoption of a new strategy to “face the Zionist foe.” Iran, though shaken by an Egyptian uprising that echoed its own pro-democracy movement in 2009, is developing a similar theme.
we should send Nancy Pelosi to Syria again to get that little situation squared away