I want to see the results of his driving license exam.

Birthers should be removed from the voting pool.

I heard he has a low Sperm Count too....

Big Sploogers movement out there now

The President could easily have avoided this whole controversy by simply being born Caucasian.

Now that's funny!

Or if his Parents had just named him Bob

Ooops - could this be a race card about to throw down? Yeh. cause THATS the reason. Where did I put that "yawn" smiley.

Trump placed his bet on red and BLACK won
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Without the race factor there likely is no Birther movement. I'm not sure how any rational thinking person could ignore this.

-spence

I seriously don't think it is a race thing....I really think its a name thing.

It's a combination of factors...call it the "other" quotient if you want, but race is all about lineage which this movement is about. Obama is not like you and me...

-spence

There's no way it's a name thing. People would never use his full name, Barack Hussein Obama, or emphasize his middle name and try to make Islamic ties.

Are you being smart or saying this never happened? That was brought up a number of times in his campaign. He sicked his lawyers on every single one of them.

What? For real? Because he's black, half black, or part white? YGTBSM.

That's like saying the Truthers are prejudiced against people that fly black helicopters - maybe they are racist for painting helicopters black :devil2: (bad attempt at sarcastic humor).

I'm sure there are people that cling to this out of racism, just as there are people that voted for him because he's black, half black, or part white. There are people that voted for him solely because they hoped it would move the country beyond the racial demons that have been deteriorating over the past decades.

A lot of people hold the presidential qualification to a very high standard which allows some people wittingly and unwittingly to hijack that. But that's OK, keep telling yourself its because of race.

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They say it's a FAKE designed in Illustrator.

YouTube - President Obama's Birth Certificate PDF has "Layers"

The issue here doesn't have anything to do with someone who would vote for Obama simply because he's black...I'm sure there were many but hell, a lot of people just close their eyes and make a mark.

This is about a sustained effort to undermine his legitimacy because he is a black guy with an Islamic name. A quite effective effort in fact to "connect the dots"...Obama is not like "us", therefor his agenda can't logically serve the American interest.

That a lot of Obama policy has been supported by Republicans over the years doesn't seem to be particularity of interest to the Birthers or those Republicans riding on their coat tails.

Obama's birth records have been around since 1961, and validated in 2008 or perhaps even earlier. This issue didn't have legs because of "presidential qualification"...the evidence has always been there that he's qualified to be POTUS.

-spence

Really? Blanket statement? The problem is that when we are discussing the problems of the left you call it a fringe element yet when it goes to the right, the shadow casts far and wide as clearly all Tea Baggers are birthers are Republicans are racists. All one has to do is connect the dots.

P.S. - Obama's mother is a born US citizen, what else do we need to know?

Which records :devil2:

(that was in jest)

I don't think for a min. all repubs. or teabaggers are racists. However, I think the vast majority of racists are teabaggers.

Guess the racists I've seen in my life are a lot different than the racists you've seen in yours.

Three pages???? Really???? WGAS???? Not me.More interested in finding a viable, competant replacement.....if I can survive this economy that long....

Birther's demand to see Obama's placenta!!
 

I don't understand the argument? Obama is not the first completely non- qualified individual to hold this position, or, the only no substance, stuffed shirt to be elected President. However , he may be the first to get a free pass for his deplorable performance BECAUSE "he is different than you and I". Hope and Change is what I am looking forward to in the next election if one of the parties can offer us a candidate with some actual credentials and not a crowd favorite better suited to reality TV.

Coffee on keyboard :rotf2:

While I've called out the racist elements I think gravitate towards the Tea Party I don't believe I've ever called the entire movement racist, rather I've asserted they need to own what's spread in their name...and a lot of Tea Party leadership have promoted these and other ideas along the same vein.

Regarding the Birther movement, it seems by the polls that this has infected moderate voters to some degree. While is sure seems like a crackpot theory to me a hell of a lot of Americans have responded to the constant drumbeat by the conspiracy theorists and Right Wing media. Why? I'd go back to the fear of the "other" and hence the race card...

I'm not aware of any other tin foil hat issue gaining so much public support in recent history.

-spence

As for the racist thing, I'm surprised that you didn't use the opportunity to shape the strategic parly line and combine in Spencers fashion to use the words racist, birthers, republican, and tea baggers all in one sentence :love: .

Part of the problem is the very wide brush being painted. Some people feel (myself included) that a Presidential Candidate needs to validate beyond a shadow of a doubt their eligibility to be President and on the key requirements is Natural Citizen. You can be a naturalized citizen and run for Congress, you cannot be a naturalized citizen and become Vice President or President. That is still the law. Back in the campaign days when people were harping on Obama, many on the left were bugging on McCain because he was born in Panama even though the children of Americans serving overseas (or Government officials) are considered born-here.

A lot of the kids I went to High School with were military brats born in Germany, Japan, and other corners of the world and most were all qualified to be president. The exceptions were those that were born when one of the parents was dual-citizenshiped in the host country that child was born in. A few of my friends had Amercian fathers, German mothers, and were born in Germany when they toured there before. Those kids were considered dual citizenship as well and had to choose their citizenship on reaching the age of 18 and IIRC they were not eligble to run for President.

Now Obama was born in Hawaii, it was a state, his mother is American, that discussion SHOULD be over.

But when anyone wants a high standard to be held for meeting the born citizen requirements they are now painted as birthers.

/rant

I wish I had saved the link, yesterday on CNN (I think) I ran across an article where they were stating that 1 in 3 Democrats thought that Bush was either behind 9/11 or was aware of the plans to do it and did not prevent it. There's your foil hat. A few people here have made comments that indicate protecting their scalps from sunburn with shiny metallic headgear.

HUH?

I think it's reasonable to expect that US Presidential candidates are actually Constitutionally eligible to take office.

But has anyone ever produced a shred of real evidence that casts doubt on Obama's credentials?

Seriously, does an obviously fake Kenyan birth certificate, and a number of made up conspiracy theories require this kind of response? Has anyone else EVER had this kind of scrutiny? Or more to the point has it ever been used to discredit their entire existence?????

Hmmm, I assume you're referencing the 2006 Ohio University/Scrips poll of about 1000 people that answered:

Given the wording of the question I'm actually surprised the 20% somewhat likely isn't a lot higher...

Seriously, I've looked at many right wing sites that have made this accusation and using their own links the data referenced doesn't seem to make their own point...

What gives???

-spence

As far as I have heard from major "Right Wing media," it regards the birthers as being crackpots as much as you do, and detrimental to the hopes of beating Obama in 2012. Most "right wingers" consider "left wingers" to be the "other", and would more than welcome a greater number of blacks, latinos, asians, and "moderate" whites to join them in defeating the "left wing" agenda.

Has a President or presidential candidate ever been demanded to show his vital records? The answer is a most definite yes. Even Senator McCain had to show his birth certificate, and provide verification that he was indeed born on US ground in the Canal Zone, to parents engaged in the service of the country.


Has there ever been a problem with those vital records, in which people were not convinced by them, or where the records were unclear? Again, this is a definite yes. Both Presidents Arthur and Jackson had issues concerning their birth and records. In the case of Jackson, there was a question as to which state he was actually born in, although he was most certainly born in a state. In the case of Arthur, there was a question that he might have had dual citizenship at birth, thereby precluding natural citizenship, because his father was an Irish national. It is likely that Mr. Obama will end up facing this same question.


Has there ever been a controversy which dragged on for so long? The answer to that is no.

In all the previous controversies, the people involved took it seriously, including the press. They worked to address the issues, to present evidence and witnesses, and obtained legal opinions or rulings. This is where Mr. Obama's handling of the issue is unique: he belittled and prolonged it.

McCarthy is great
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...rew-c-mccarthy

Obama mocks Trump's presidential ambitions - Yahoo! News

Ok this is some funny chit there.

"Obama's presentation started after the wrestler Hulk Hogan's patriotic anthem, "Real American," played. Images of Americana from Mount Rushmore to Uncle Sam were shown on the screen, alongside his birth certificate. And then he offered to show his live birth video, which turned out to be a clip from the Disney film, "The Lion King.""

"After a week when Obama released his long-form Hawaii birth certificate, he said Trump could now focus on the serious issues, from whether the moon landing actually happened to "where are Biggie and Tupac?""

"For Trump's decision to fire actor Busey instead of rock singer Meat Loaf from his TV show earlier this month, Obama quipped: "These are the types of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir "

"And then, as a coup de grace, Obama showed a screen with his vision of how Trump could bring change to the White House. "Trump" was prominently displayed in glittery letters and girls could be seen with cocktails on a Jacuzzi-augmented front lawn."

:hee:

Somethin tells me Donny ain't too happy

glad to see that the president has plenty of time to joke, party, golf, go on Oprah and fundraise as the country swirls around the toilet bowl :uhuh:

he continues to be the least presidential president ever...definitely at his best when he is attacking a detractor that can't respond at that moment

Coming to Boston next month and for a bargain price of 10K you can have your picture with him:rotf2: Pure class!!!

"shared sacrafice" :uhuh:

let's see, now how did that line go?

oh, right...

"no trip on Air Force One to film Oprah ever fed a hungry child"

Boy I was gonna say just that the other day but figured Spence would come down on me again for poking the dragon too much. :rotf2: