Why Not a part of it ... If this thing went bad (bum helicopter) many would have hung it around the Presidents kneck . Congrats Seals and Obama .

Maybe Fox is a little biased!

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I haven't heard anything that suggests that this mission might not have happened if we hadn't reduced our presence in Iraq. I could certainly be wrong...

I'd say it's crazy (crazy = good) what happens when intelligence folks are allowed to take the gloves off, because there ARE reports that the first break in this case (the relationship between the courier and Bin Laden) was provided by Khalid Shiek Mohammad, but only after he was waterboarded.

The word "incomprehensible" rarely is used to mean exactly what it implies. In this case, it is incomprehensible to me that folks are opposed to waterboarding.

my first concern, whenever a mas murderer is killed, is that his body is handled properly and buried in strict accordance with the guidelines of the peaceful religeon that he practiced throughout his life, you wouldn't want any of the other followers of the peaceful religeon to be upset that one of it's members, no matter how rogue, devious or deadly was in any way mistreated, even in death :wall: glad to know that he was properly prepared for his trip to heaven :uhuh:

Quick quiz.
Name a time "water boarding" worked?:) Hmmmm think hard....

I'm at a loss. When?

-spence

I'll help ya Spence.

Phone Call by Kuwaiti Courier Led to Bin Laden - ABC News

"Panetta acknowledges information from waterboarded detainees was used to help plan mission at bin Laden's compound - NBC News"

Speaking of slippery, slithery...

That mission accomplished sign was just a fashionable use in the art of power, not in the philosophy of any truth. Bush learned well. As to those who seem unwilling to acknowledge this, this is a nuisance. The philosophy of truth is at times an impediment to gaining and using power. And then truth becomes secondary to power. In your case it is the power of pursuasion. Your ability to make falsehood into a shining city on a hill to the audience is commendable. Nevetheless, I am unconvinced that your "mission accomplished sign" statements are nothing more than post hoc rationalization.

Nevertheless . . . I am unconvinced that your "mission accomplished sign" statement in response to my "mission accomplished sign" statement, which was in response to zimmy's "mission accomplished" sign statement, which was also responded to by Jim in CT's "mission Accomplished" sign statement which were all "post hoc" rationalizations of previous abundant "post hoc" statements and rationallizations and interpretations and refutations and mocking insultations and repudiations or reconfigurations of an original easily explained (and was) "mission accomplished sign" that was a "nuisance" to Bush haters who needed to conjecture an assault on the "philosophy of truth" to deny him a moment of victory so that the simple truth of the "mission accomplished" sign became secondary to belittling his power, and this never ending saga of meanings for the "mission accomplished sign" has cascaded and slithered all the way into your falsehood that I made a shining city on a hill . . . nevertheless, I am unconvinced that you said anything of substance.

What "mission" do you rationalize that the sign referred to and what actual evidence do you have of that?

This article doesn't prove that waterboarding "works", in fact it doesn't even says that the name of the courier was obtained using harsh interrogation techniques. Reality seems to be that information was used from a variety of sources, one having been a person that had previously been waterboarded. This is no way implies that the waterboarding was the reason he gave up the information...

You seem to want to think that because waterboarding was present in the system at some time it must be the reason we were successful. This doesn't pass a basic smell test. Sure, it's possible, but if you don't know, and we do know there are numerous other legal interrogation techniques that could produce the same intel, you really can't say.

If you read my old posts I believe I've said that I'm not against waterboarding as much as I'm against us using it while saying we don't torture. Let's not use bad logic to justify behavior we can't reconcile with our own stated values.

-spence

:rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

you should be waterboarded for some of the things that you try to run up the flag pole

:smokin: don't bogart

What hasn't been mentioned yet is that the burial at sea from the USS Carl Vinson was that the burial's speed was enhanced by use of steam powered catapult when they launched the body. Its true, i read it on the innernets.

I'm sure Eric Holder could have got the information from them.:rotf2:

Google "Leon Penata interview" and try to spin what he said.:smash:

There's no spin, read my post above again.

Interestingly the report is now that KSM didn't even give any information up while being waterboarded, but that he actually lied about the link and threw us off the track. In other words, the waterboarding led to bad information.

Paneta's comment seems to be on track. Intel came from a variety of sources. Some sources had been subjected to enhanced techniques at some time, but he makes no connection between waterboarding and specific intel.

If waterboarding is ethical or legal is one argument, but the idea that it directly led (or even had a significant impact) to Bin Laden's capture doesn't seem to be based on any facts.

Because it's not possible to discount 100%, the issue is being used for political reasons.

-spence

You are the Master Spinster Spence. Well done...

In a world that Obama preached of before becoming President, Gitmo would be closed, trials would be in NY and UBL would be free.

I heard a great analogy to this. Obama is like a teenage kid who thought he knew everything, then grew up and realized Dad (GWB) was right all along.

Except of course about that damn Iraq mess....

Don't forget Lybia. Another war started.

W/o troops on the ground. Apples and Oranges.

If we had done the same in Iraq, I may have felt different, but I have not supported Obama on Lybia here either...

As near as I can tell we have accomplished nothing in Lybia. Nothing.

Apples and Oranges

That's a terrible analogy. What exactly was Bush "right" about? Shifting focus away from Al Qaeda and onto Iraq based on shoddy, manufactured "evidence" and then thrusting us into a Trillion Dollar war that accomplished literally nothing of value for the long-term safety of the American people?

Or was he right about the part where he helped progress this country to a point where Americans are forced to live in a Police state where granny will get diddled while trying to get on a plane because her fake hip set of a metal detector.

But hey, at least he got the guy who "tried to kill [his] daddy."

First, we havene't accomplished much in Iraq. I would have rather they handled it like the seals just did with OBL. Samy with Ghaddafi.

Second, you made the bleeping comparision when you brought up Lybia as 'another war started'

And the guy who had made it his life mission to kill you and your family. Patriot Act, Gitmo, enhanced interrogation,military tribunals...all Bush policies that Obama either kept or added too.

It's not a"trillion dollar war"....get your talking points from a more reliable source.

I think there is a very good argument that Bush policies led to the unrest and action in the mid-east today. Bush's actions also led to OBL living in seclusion for over 5 years, his influence greatly reduced.

This doesn't make any sense, unless you think the CIA and our Armed Forces are completely incompetent. Reality is that there are a lot of very effective and legal methods to get information that the experts seem to think work quite well.

You just don't seem to be able to accept the fact that Obama get's to take credit for authorizing this mission.

-spence

Iraq? By some accounts could total 3 trillion more than the 50-60B offered by the Bush Admin at the time...

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/f...stiglitz200804

I believe the Iraq war is at about 800B today and will certainly pass a trillion dollars by the time the bulk of troops are out...best case.

-spence

vanity fair?????????????? it has gotten bad:rotf2:

I can't qoute any woman's magazines or anything, but from what I understand, since Obama's second day in office(when he banned enhanced interrogation) the information we get is not the same as we used to get. It worked.

I credit Obama with making the right choice and using the information to kill UBL. I have never said anything negative about that.

You however are in severe denial.

Ah yes, there's the issue.:rotf2:

On what is your understanding based?

Hey....I read! I also have listened to alot of what the peopel involved in all this are saying. Including many in the current administration.

You will just figure it's from Rush's show though.

I would think that the "people involved in all this" wouldn't be saying much about classified information gathered from classified interrogations. That is why I asked. Wouldn't have thought of Rush, if you hadn't brought it up. Apparently on your conscience?

The head of the CIA can't seem to keep his mouth shut:biglaugh:

Not really a womans magazine, but it was the first link that popped up. There's plenty of others...

If you want to question this being a trillion dollar war just count the Congressional appropriations on record (around 900B) and the fact that we still have tens of thousands of troops and contractors as taxpayer liabilities. Obviously, this doesn't factor in the even more dramatic soft costs.

As for the quality of intel changing dramatically the day after Obama took office...I call bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. You're either completely off your rocker or just making things up.

As for the head of the CIA not keeping his mouth shut, did he say anything else or are you going to hinge your entire argument on one statement you're simply reading into what you want to hear?

-spence

You would think that but instead - WAY too many people are flapping their gums. Every 5 minutes there is a Breaking News new details revealed, after a break from our sponsor...

YouTube it Spence. It comes right from his mouth.

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you should go back to comedy shows for links and info :)

you are missing the part where the administration sent a lackey right out to explain that what came out of his mouth, didn't come out of his mouth...let me be clear aaaaaand don't spike the football