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I used to fish some very sketchy places, but dont even bother anymore due to the losers that hung out in those areas. I got in the habit of never using the headlamp within visual distance of the truck, that way, you can see if anyone is in the surrounding area (canal is tougher with the lights, but doable). Dome light was always shut off in the truck and parked in a darker area so no one can easily see car lights and you. I got good at getting in the car and driving away fast too! The way I look at it, your eyes are adjusted to the night, and you can see someone around or coming at you. Best defense is to avoid the conflict to begin with. When someone is close to you, thats when they could knife or shot you easily...

I've had some very sketchy people approach me and some buddies, - the key was being aware that they were approaching. A 60 pound boga and dive knife out in view is pretty threatening, but if youre off into the darkness its just as tough for them to figure out whats going on and leaves them more uncomfortable than you!

I'm thinking if I'm in waders and in the water and some guy is throwing rocks at me, he is indeed threatening my life. I'm not going to go deeper into the water(for obvious reasons) to get out of range and am certainly not going to get any closer to him for fear his aim may get better.

what would you do? I'm thinking I can cast a bucktail farther than he can throw a rock (shut up vic!).... But then again he was out numbered.. Maybe one 3oz smiling bill to the noggin would even the odds a little more :smash:

A reasonable argument, but once you shoot him it is not going to matter one bit what you thought, it is going to matter what the DA and a jury think, and that is probably going to cost you and your family a real lot of money and angst. Count on it.

Couple years ago at a sketchy spot I had a bunch of guys come up on me so I held my flash light in there faces like a cop and said, "Can I assist you gentleman" Loudly. They left quickly with out incident, but if they didn't, i was way out numbered.

remember the time at eel spot C.? I thought it was gonna get interesting... Always makes you think when a car load of spanish dudes all wearing red walk up on you. :buds:

I didn't mean to start a mid-season chitstorm about locations of vehicle
B & E's. I park in out-of-the-way places along the ditch, and just wanted to have a heads up about anything going on. Some guy stopped at 12:30 a.m. last week and ask how I was doing. I didn't know him I don't think. Thought it was strange. I didn't really return his discourse and he road off.

Frank, if it was last Tues., I think I rode past you around that time, but I didn't stop or say anything because I wasn't sure if it was you or not.

If alone and depending on the spot....I will carry because it makes me feel safer. Nuff said

They may leave you alone if you show them your nuts.
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Throwing rocks? Whats that about? Some kids just being a nuisance?

I have been following this thread and it is extremely disturbing. I fish at night and it's a long walk down the boardwalk at night. I make the trip several times a night sometimes (alone) to go to my rig in the parking lot. My biggest fear so far has been running into a coyote or a skunk. I have thought many times about pepper spray.
I never really thought anyone would want to bother a fisherman. I rarely have anything except my gear with me.
A few years ago there was an attempted rape, during the day in a secluded area of the Refuge. Since then I always make sure I have my knife on my belt and carry the walkie with me. What do I need in order to purchase pepper spray or mace?
I really think this puts a damper on the whole fishing experience and it sad that we have to even think about these things.

find yourself a nice round rock
 

about the size of a small egg
put it in a sock...it should be tied tight @ the rock
have the sock hanging out your back pocket

now ya have a little thumper easy to grab
that looks like a rag
only use it where deadly force is warranted.

for coyotes you just HISS like a snake, they go quick
skunks you stand still or back up and or waitem out.

that's it I'm hiring a body guard. I am starting to fear more from the guys here now.:ninja:

Nothing for pepper spray, LTC for mace.

Ill guard your plug bag....I promise.
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I already carry a throw down knife, now I am going to bring a throw down cell phone, they can have it and I'll keep my good one to call the cops after they leave.

I'll take the job Paul

I won't even charge you

plugs either




Fishing is supposed to be fun
it's a shame some of the places and times we choose to fish has to be like this. I guess there are bad apples everywhere.
I have pepper spray at home but never felt I needed to bring it fishing with me, maybe I should. there was a bear spotted on the southcoast so ........

:fishin:

I HAVE BEEN FISHING THE CANAL FOR OVER 20 YEARS 2-3 TIMES A WEEK MOSTLY ALL NIGHT NEVER HAD A PROBLEM AND HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY PROBLEMS EXCEPT FOR A SMALL GROUP OF PUNKS ON THE CAPE SIDE A YEAR OR TWO AGO. KNOCK ON WOOD

I don't want to be afraid but people suck. I used to always feel safe where I fish. Thanks for the critter advise Raven. I see lots of coyotes but they usually take off. I worry about coming up on one and surprising it. I actually had a stare down with a coyote once. I don't know who was more scared. He came out of nowhere on a black night sniffing around my rods. He was 3 feet away from me. Shined my light on him and he just stood there. staring. It was a pup and I am guessing that since I was on the refuge he had never seen a person before. I got tired of staring at him and told him to git. Ha ha he got.
Those nights when it's dark and you smell skunk are a long slow walk to the parking lot. I am going to look into pepper spray for the human predators.

Back River in Hingham

http://www.adl.org/learn/extremism_i...sm_in_the_News

I say if you guys carry shoot to kill, justified homicide !

On a side note,
One day last summer I was in the Sportsman's Den in quincy.
Ronnie (the owner) was helping an older woman (I'm guessing in her mid 60s) with a device that rapid loads her clip, don't remember the size gun .38 maybe.
I thought that was AWESOME !
Would love to be there and see some thug try to purse snatch this nice old lady and end up getting their f^^^ing head blown off !

Wanna-be gang bangers from that apartment complex across the street from the ball field/glass factory/Sagamore post office.

You gonna go to court to see her sentencing hearing too...

Justifiable Homicide is when your life is threatened.....not your purse.

I know its cool to get all "Clint Eastwood" about it.....but you better make damn sure that you have absolutely no other recourse to save your life before you pull the trigger....that includes walking away from a situation instead of escalating it...or you'll end up being Bubba's Butt Buddy or the next 20 to life.

Not saying the dirtbag purse snatcher doesn't deserve it......but is it really worth it for a fishing rod, or a plug bag.

Great point. If you shoot and kill an unarmed person (especially one with no violent criminal history), it's gonna be tough to justify self defense. Spending years in jail away from your family would be much worse than losing some fishing gear.

Even if you were able to stay out of jail, would you be able to live knowing that you took someone else's life over some replaceable stuff?

To me its not right the way the MA shooting criteria leaves all the burden on the person being attacked in the first place. In MA you need to stand on your head and do everything possible to try to run away etc when despite you minding your own business someone comes along who is willing to do violence to steal your property. Will he kill you? How do you know?

This is an absolutely true stury. I have a friend from Peterborough , NH who was held up at gun point on the main drag through Peterborough. The guy demanded his wallet. He took out his wallet and handed it to the guy. The guy shot him point blank in the stomach and walked away. Just shot him for the hell of it despite my friend readily handing over the wallet. Now I am far from bloodthirsty but I think the use of a gun should extend to protecting your property too.

I was approached once at a very remote spot at the canal by a guy in street cloths (not waders etc) who had to worm his way through 25 feet of brush to get to where I was. He stands still hidden in the bushes and asks me , "are you alone"? Not how's the fishing or are they biting , etc. "Are you alone". Fortunately I was actually fishing with Tim and Charlie from SOL and they started yelling at me like what was I doing talking to the bushes. As soon as this guy saw I was not alone , he turned and ran away.

Now I did not see a gun on him but there is no doubt in my mind that he was packing. From that day forward I started fishing much more public areas along the canal and seldom alone anymore.

Now for the most part , you either are a damned fool to approach a guy who spends his spare fun time standing on rocks on the waters edge all night with the intent to rob him unless... you are armed.

Anyway , that's my rant on the subject. :)

You really think someone in their mid to late 60s or older and goes around with a legally permitteed loaded gun is worried about jail.

I don't know....do your kid's Grandparents enjoy hugging them on a regular basis....or would they prefer to only do it when they Come during "Visiting Hours"....while a guard watches over them :huh:


....over 100 bucks cash and a $30 purse

Maybe it would be worth going to jail if they gave you conjugal visits.

I'd consider it to avoid X-mas with the In-laws :hihi:

well lets say that you are carrying and somebody pulls a gun on you, If you go for your gun, chances are you are gonna end up dead! It's a lose-lose situation here! Best way to go is fish with a buddy and you both carry!

Ditto, the punks were running through Bourne Scenic stealing coolers with beers in them, swilling them down and acting like idiots. Breaking glass on the access road and stuff. Someone has to actually turn up as a victim here for me to believe some of the innuendo and rumors.

And as far as OC Spray goes, FID card at the most. A new law a couple of years ago made the cost $25.00 for a pepper spray only license, renewable for free the next time around for the rest of your life.

For thirty seven years I told people the same as above, "when a crook robs you he is going to have his weapon already drawn and pointing at you." In response if your carrying a weapon and try to draw on the crook, the crook is going to put six in you before your weapon clears the holster." And in fact if the crook hits you with the first round, you'll will collapse to the ground in shock even if the round didn't hit you on one of the numbers.

We have this same thread every year. First rule of survival is flight. If you dont consider flight first then any jury or judge might conclude that whatever combat that took place was mutual in some respects. At your home/castle no flight is necessary, but anywhere else.....................just saying

Not everyone can simply run for it....
some are unable to do so because of limmited mobility :confused:
(ie handicapped or can't run...must stand and fight)

how would a judge and Jury look at that scenario?
as i don't see it as mutual... then.

Sounds like he may have been fudge packing... :biglaugh::biglaugh:

Sorry couldn't resist....

Sorry to hear about your friend.... Peterborough Diner is some of the best breakfast I've ever had!!!! Hangover breakfast that is.....

When someone threatens you with a deadly weapon (knife/gun) you can protect yourself!

The "duty to retreat" outside of the home has one important exception----you must be able to retreat "with complete safety". If a guy has you backed against a wall, you're surrounded by a gang, or your mobility is handicapped, there is then no duty to retreat.

You're also not expected to be able to outrun a bullet. ;)

LOL!:uhuh:

I've often wondered if a full swing of my 11'er to the face would hurt enough to put a normal (not PCP'ed up tweaker) person down. Might get lucky with a brachial Stun..