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this is for you jimmy:

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Ok, that last one is the best :hihi:

-spence

Spence et al,

You amaze me on how you can spin "binder" into some sexist comment...You know what he meant. He meant he had a list of many women that were eligible for his cabinet, so many the staff put them in a notebook. But the dems see everything for the political soundbites. Romney doesn't have a sexist attitude toward anyone and you now it. He is probably the kindest man that has done more for others (including women) as an individual than anyone who has ever ran for the office. Did you watch the RNC? Did you hear what others said he did to help them? I saw some of the political pundits who are strong dems who were moved from some of the testimony presented. Beyond giving 30% of his (serious )income to charities, he has really given a lot of his time for others. Far beyond what all dems have done combined who ran for office. He is a real humble gentleman because he does not boast about it. And further, he really does not want others to talk about it because he what he does for others is between him and them. He does not need to inform the public of his good deeds. The dems love this aspect because they have no one who measure up what they have done personally. It is not what he has done with his money.

Frankly the world would be a far better place if we had more people like him around.

Obama is nothing but a facade. He is just not the best man for the job. He doesn't have the background and his track record sucks and he has done jack squat for others on a personal level. Yes he is morally a decent man, far more a better man than Clinton but he is not the right man to turn america around economically. Handouts (or as he calls it "investments") to the poor will not cut it any longer.

These cute little attacks and social media memes are part and parcel with a desperate campaign.... it is slipping away from the annointed one and they know it.

not mad, just disappointed and slightly amused. Like when a 5 yr old tells you a funny, creative lie

The reason the comment was memorable is that Romney, when trying to talk about the value to women actually spoke about them like a commodity.

Some people are obviously hypersensitive to this and for others it just sounded odd.

Hence my label of mildly sexist. Combined with his remark about getting home to cook dinner did make him sound a bit out of touch. I don't think he's a sexist person but likely a bit fuddy on matters of sex.

Personally I find the notion that he fabricated the story far more troubling.

-spence

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Personally I find the notion that he fabricated story far more troubling.

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You are killing me .....stop
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Don't you?

-spence

yes spence, some democrat nobody in MA is crying about it in the media but lets see what Romney's sideman (oops, side woman) as governor had to say about it.
who you going to believe???


Mitt Romney’s female ex-lieutenant governor took a swipe on Thursday at criticism of the GOP nominee’s comment during the debate that he had “binders full of women” while he was staffing up as governor of Massachusetts.

“I … think this is so ironic because it’s given us an opportunity to talk about one of the great strengths of Gov. Romney during his time in office, which was that he did want to bring women’s voices into government, that he did have half of the women in his top appointed positions, right there with him,” said Kerry Healey, the former lieutenant governor of Massachusetts who served with Romney.

Her comments came in the wake of an explosion, on Twitter and beyond, of memes and jokes jabbing Romney for his “binders” comment. But Healey, who was interviewed on Fox News’s “America’s Newsroom with Bill Hemmer and Martha MacCallum,” said she didn’t find Romney’s comments eyebrow-raising.

“I was the person he asked to be liaison to the group that had collected those résumés for us,” Healey said. “So I had spent hours poring over the résumés of the women contained in those binders. I knew exactly what he was talking about.”

Actually, I believe she was with MassGAP and led the bi-partisan effort to promote qualified women regardless of which party was elected.

-spence

Just a note on MassGAP etc....

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"If you say something and there are two ways that it could possibly be interpreted, women will always choose the one that pisses you off."
This quote I posted earlier in the thread is even more relevant here...

This bs pedantic scrutiny of every word that comes out of the mouths of all public figures is getting rather ridiculous.

People think there's too much splitting of hairs with regards to word-choice in this Political Forum. Broaden that to the rest of the country analyzing word-choice as opposed to intention, and every single one of us would spend more of our days apologizing for using the wrong vocabulary as opposed to getting anything accomplish.

Every single person knows what Romney meant.

It's ridiculous when people do it to Romney and it's just as ridiculous when it'd done to Obama.

Spence gets P O'd because he has to do the dishes after working all day.....:) :)

Although the reactions to bored kids (sorry, political campaigns aren't that good with photoshops) making ridiculous memes out of them are just too goddamn awesome. I've never seen such outrage. :rotf2:

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I think you're missing the point...

Does Romney 'get' women who work? - CNN.com

-spence

Spence - In my post, I suggested that one coule reasonably conclude that Obama was erferring to the Bengazi attack in the Rose Garden. It was the very next day, so there's no reason he was assuming to anything else. Fair enough?

HOWEVER. For the next 2 weeks, everything we heard from the administration (be it Obama, Jay Carney, or Ambassador Rice) were specific claims that it was not an act of terror. Soence, it is one thing to say "we aren't going to speculate until the facts are known" - that would be reasonable. But Obama and his team made several specific, affirmative statements, that there was "no evidence" that the attack was anything other than a spontaneous response to the video.

That's what they sais again, and again, and again. And we now know with a 100% certainty that's not true. All of the intelligence reports indicated that it certainly was an act of terror. Despite your claim that Ambassador Stevense contributed to his own death due to his "false sense of security", we now Know for for certain that Stevens expressed concern about the reduced security.

I'll concede Obama was referring to the attack (vaguely) as an act of terror in teh Rose Garden. However, in the next 2 weeks, he said that it wasn't an act of terror. We've seen videos of his saying it was a response to the video.

I'm not saying he changed his tune to dodge responsibility for the screw-up in security levels. But asking that, is a fair question. And when Obama was asked that question at the debate (who rejected requests for more security, and why), his answer was that the diplomats are heroes who do hard work.

Obama isn't doing anything to give this the appearance that it's not a cover up. This will hurt him dearly in the next debate.

As I have said repeatedly, I give Obama an 'A' for killing terrorists, I thinhk it's his best accomplishment. Thus, the foreign policy debate should have been the arena where he had the greatest advantage. He shot himself in the foot right before the debate, and opened the dooe to very valid (in fact, necessary) questions about whether or not anyone in his administration is on the ball when it comes to foreign policy.

When Ambassador Rice did the Sunday shows, and Obama was at the UN, everyone in the world knew it was a terrorist attack. But the administration specifically denied that.

You go ahead, and try making that wrong.

that would be working WAY too hard to make an absurd point...:uhuh:

Ask Jane Swift.......
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Much ado about nothing still. Makes the campaign and coverage of it look like a joke. That is what happens when people are desperate and exposed.
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funny how this is such a big deal but the Bengazi cover up....pfffft...not so much :uhuh: sure hope it doesn't come up on Monday

Those who cry 'desperate and exposed' are usually the most looking for more rocks to throw.

If its much ado about nothing, why keep bringing it up? Or even acknowledging it?

always brilliant....no, not you Lickwid:rotf2:


The Great Binder Blunder - National Review Online

I know you're not from MA, but maybe you missed the part where his binder full of women ended with less women employed than before he came into office.

I know, grasping for straws, sure.


Too easy. :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

which means what? is it possible to seek qualified women and minorities to fill positions but in the end the most qualified applicant might not come form those categories, is there some quota that must be met?..in MA?

"Women made up only 25 percent of the 64 new appointments Romney made. By the end of his term, the number of women in high-ranking positions was slightly lower than it was before Romney took office."

is this somehow proof that he has a women problem of some sort?

yes...grasping for something....for sure...

So in one year qualified women hold 40%+ of positions then the number falls because of lack of qualified women...while at the same time women graduating college and earning law degrees is rising...and then after Romney the qualified women suddenly reappear?

That doesn't add up.

-spence

ERMAHGERD
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Romney appointed 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments.....42 percent.

a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006.

shocking decline....




According to the Daily Mail, Romney ultimately hired four women for his 11 available cabinet positions. But one, Ellen Roy Herzfelder, only lasted around two years. Herzfelder was named the secretary of the Executive Office of Environmental Affairs but left in 2005 to spend more time with her children. She later became a senior policy adviser.

Jennifer David Carey served as Romney's secretary of Elder Affairs. She currently works as the senior director of training and education for the University of Massachusetts Medical School.

Kerry Healey, ultimately became Romney's lieutenant governor. She was praised for her cuts to the deficit and ultimately ran for governor herself. However, she and her fellow Republican nominee were defeated by Democrat Deval Patrick. She also has been appointed to executive committees by Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice.

Jane Edmonds, is currently a professor at Northeastern University. She told the paper that she thinks her former boss would "make an excellent president," even though Edmonds herself is a Democrat. She worked under Romney as the Secretary of Workforce Defense.

In the engineering world...when women graduate college their starting salaries are always higher (by a substantial margin) then the equivalent male with the same gpa in the same field from the same school.

That's because they represent a fraction of male candidates.

Supply and demand.

-spence

HuH?

Why is it not equal work for equal pay? Gender should nothing to do with it!

You mentioned starting salary, if companies are seeking to balance their workforce that would naturally increase the initial rate.

That doesn't mean that female engineers really earn more on the job, I do believe their averages are still below men. Some of this is probably historical (i.e. more experienced men in the workforce) and some could be due to inequality.

-spence

The wage gap debate is a load of horse*&$t with data that is skewed to make women look like innocent victims while us men enjoy a society that rewards you for having a penis.

You'd do well to read this article (written by a woman) that was in Forbes this past April:
It's Time That We End the Equal Pay Myth - Forbes

Here's the most important part that demonstrates the Sham of 'wage gap' arguments:
"The wage gap statistic, however, doesn’t compare two similarly situated co-workers of different sexes, working in the same industry, performing the same work, for the same number of hours a day. It merely reflects the median earnings of all men and women classified as full-time workers."

Besides if women could do the work as well and they get paid less, who the hell would hire a man???:uhuh:

Call me a caveman but I don't care if women are paid less.
Women 20-40 years old more than likely will need maternity leave & on average will have 2 or 3 kids.
Kids get sick, one of the parents has to stay home with them. Usually that's the mother.
How can this not be a factor when a company hires employees and negotiates salary/pay.
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It's 2012 Ron , the guys get maternity leave too
It's pathetic
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The top companies offer maternity for both sexes,even when adopting.
They give benefits to gay couples
They even pay for fat camp for porkers
Fatsos cost a lot for employers,way more than any pregnant lady.
There are meetings involving top CEO's discussing how hard it is to employ obese sacks of shiite.
Using Ronnies logic,they should get paid less just for being jellybellies.

Yeah, it's pathetic that I took a couple of weeks off when my son was born, and will again when my daughter is born to help my wife...

what a pussy I am I guess. should have stood in the waiting room with a cigar and then gone back to work :smash:

They absolutely should be paid less when compared to someone with an equal skill set. The obese (similarly to smokers) miss more days of work, contribute a significant amount to health care costs and are less productive than their thinner coworkers due to an significantly elevated risk of cardiovascular disease, diabetes and many other diseases that will directly affect job performance in many workplaces.

It wasn't a personal assault Brian
Wow,,,touchy
Just saying our parents managed just fine as did my wife because I was self employed. I adjusted my schedule to help out but I couldn't afford to take 2 weeks .
A friend has a small company with 5 emoyees he was telling me that 3 of ther men will be out on maternity leave on the same 2 weeks
He was pissed and he didn't take time off because he couldn't when his kids were born
Not judging ....just saying
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