Elite company, well thanks to your boy Obama I am constantly reminded that I make up the very top of earners in this country. Must be some reason?
Spence, please give you job away to the poor. Obvioulsy they deserve it more than you, right?

SeaDangles - Yeah I bought a new boat. My household is doing OK. You think that means I have no reason to comlain about the economy? Here's what you and Spence cannot grasp...I don't assume my experience is reflective of everyone else. If I'm doing well, but record numbers of people are struggling, then I say 'things stink'. Maybe you are so self-centered that you view the world through the lens of how it only affects you, but I don't.

Maybe you and Spence are only concerned with how you are personally doing. Some of us care about the welfare of everyone.

According to Obama, the reason is that you stole your wealth from the poor. Preferably poor black people.

The Jerk (1979) Trailer - YouTube

This should cheer Jimmy up :hihi:

-spence

Jimmy,can you tell me what you have done to revers the trends you seem so concerned with.I think if I were to be enlightened as the extent of your looking for change and looking to bring change that I may be inspired to do the same.Please list these changes and display your bravery for those interested in your causes.If the change you pride yourself on is threads in the political forum of a fishing website that is a great start.Our president also speaks of change....good company

Nobody WANTS schools to need this type of security but what is the real option?NO protection?Hope it doesn't happen again?Oh,I know.We will stop the sale of guns? or just deal with it the best way you can?

If it makes you happy the local HS had a bomb threat today.

You're not alone.

-spence

Oh--Oh! Obama better tell Biden to add bomb control to the gun control thing he's working on.

You're right...we should do nothing and just let natural order take over...

-spence

Whoa . . . wasssup? I try to agree withyall about "doing something" about bombs and you get all sarcastic on me. All right, all right, so I was being a little sarc myself, but I thought it was funny. Bomb control? C'mon . . . not even a smile?

Oh yeah, the natural order. I wasn't aware that nature had lost control yet. I believe that it is "natural" to want to "do something" about random violence, even though, according to the most progressive among us, it was supposed to be various random violent events that created us. Fear is natural and wanting to prevent that which scares us is natural. That all does seem to be within the realm of the "natural order" so doing something, rather than nothing as you imply, IS a part of the natural order.

Now, if you're trying to poke fun at human nature being the Founder's basis for their creation of government, then I don't know what other basis there would be for government. I assume we mean by government, that method with which humans cooperate. I also assume that cooperation is part of the natural order. But so is violence against that cooperation, as is selfishness, as is evil, as are all things human, human nature being a part of the natural order.

The Founder's understood the conflicting natural tendencies in humans. They understood the tendency to give up freedom for security. They understood the tendency of majority suppression of minorities because of various "natural" fears and desires.

That Constitution was not a prescription for doing nothing and letting "the natural order to take over." It was, rather, a recognition of our nature and a governance of it so as to allow individuals their optimum power to realize their personal natural desires. It was "doing something" about the human condition to reign in the destructive portions of our nature, not to loose them upon society. And part of that doing something was not to institute despotic or dictatorial rules that violate our natural and constitutional rights. It was not meant that we should react to fear or momentary emotions to create such rules.

Bingo. The Founding Fathers knew human nature through and through, it's
selfcenterness and quest for power. Having lived under tyrany they knew it
firsthand and were wise enough to write the Constitution in a way to safeguard aganist it.

RIJIMMY, to your original post...this will cheer you up, no matter how dark things seem. One of the more moving thing sI've ever seen.

Sweet Mama Dog Interacting with a Beautiful Child with Down Syndrome - YouTube

Take care down there. God Bless Texas. If you guys ever do secede, I'll be there ASAP.

Dog spelled backwards is God.
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Great, Jim.:btu:

is it me or did spence and sea dangles swap computers? :err::conf::conf:
or are you just trying to write like spence, Chris?

I guess he's so serious about this issue that he put Biden in charge????....good grief????...I know, I know...."hater"...."Biden is brilliant and well dressed so suck on it".....blah...blah...blah....hilarious...oh... he has, of course , "a very impressive resume"....why, Biden was also named to head the White House Task Force on Working Families, an initiative aimed at improving the economic well being of the middle class.

Jimmah - this'll cheer you up

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripert...s-breasts.html

I threw Salma Hayek out there for him and it didn't work....don't think Giada is going to do it

Folks, I am not bummed about my life, my kids, my situation. I live an extremely fortunate life. I am bummed about my freedoms constantly detriorating. In life you slowly make concessions and then stop for a minute and look around you. I've done that and had a holyshat moment. I listed them in my initial post - airport security, cameras at every stop light, constant security at events and now the talk of armed guards at schools. Enough is enough. While third world countries have moved more towards our economic standards, we've moved more towards their police state rule. I cant see it getting better. Then there is the constant war on childhood - christmas, junk food, playing outside, etc. This is not me saying "those crazy kids and their rock and roll are gonna be the death of us" its noting the major changes in society and what we live with every day. The last 10 yrs have brought on more negative change than the last 50.
Dangles - good question, what do I do? Here is a list
I write emails to my politicians, frequently
I have written editorials to local papers
May not seem like much but its more that 99% of most americans
As an individual, I kick my kids in the arse to play outside. I let them ride their bikes outside of my constant supervision. I watch Its a wonderful life and the grinch with them and explain the message. On 12/7 I sat there with my ipad at the breakfast table and showed them video of pearl harbor so at least they'd have a clue. I save $$ as much as possible to protect my family from financial downturn. Frequently sacrifice to make sure we're covered no matter what. The day my kids were born they had a 529 account.
I have no clue what the hell I am doing or if its right. I can tell I dont like where this country is going and if enough good people dont stand up, our govt will continue to force more and more regulation of our lives to drive to THEIR ideal. Not mine. Your take seems to be there is nothing you can do about it and need to man up and deal with it. I choose to fight back, I dont know how, but I will.

Did you really just say "police state"? :devil2:

Sting - Message In A Bottle (Live) - YouTube

-spence

So Jimmy,it seems you parent the same way I do...my 3rd grader walks home from school (supervised at first and with a buddy).All three have had college accounts since birth and will incur minimal debt (a little teaches them nothing is free).I have not however written the EastonJournal to demonstrate my bravery which you seem so proud of.Do I consider myself a lemming?Not in the least,but I choose to make a positive impact in other ways.I won't hesitate to say I resent being called a coward for my lack of civil disobedience,I would probably refer to myself as a realist.NRA just made recommendations for our childrens safety;they seem to be on my page and not yours.I would rather have my kids safe and try a little prevention while you seek a cure.Yup I am going mainstream again.Now I will go wrap gifts with the kids at My Brothers Keeper.A Holiday tradition of helping those less fortunate enjoy Christmas.Each gift is delivered with a cross to let the recipients know where the gifts come from.I am not religious but it makes me feel good.I guess that makes me a selfish coward.

you should read your posts, I responded to your acqusations. the coward comment was on your point (read you post) that things suck but deal with it. I never said you dont do anything good, I dont even know you but you attacked me for questioning the dramatic change in our culture which in IMHO undermines our society. And I believe you just made my point - "a little prevention" now equals armed guards at school. Wow, just wow. Whats next?

I see, Spence. So according to you, there are 2 kinds of people.

(1) those who agree that Biden is the man for the job, and

(2) those who don't care about dead kids.

Spence, you are really coming un-glued, and you are really coming across as a horse's ass. I don't want Biden in charge of this, because he's not qualified to handle something this important. He's an un-serious, thoughtless, tired old party hack who will focus all the energy on guns (because his party hates the NRA) and he will do nothing to regulate violence in the entertainment industry (because his party gets huge $$ from Hollywood).

Biden is a joke, a punch-line. If we are serious about taking the reasonable steps to try to reduce the risk of future school massacres, we need someone in charge who won't be limited by what he currently believes, but someone who will be guided by facts and common sense. That ain't Joe Biden.

But congrats on assuming that those who don't think Biden is qualified, don't care about dead little kids.

The wheels are coming off the bus, Spence, you really sound un-hinged.

And for my $0.02, gun control that is forward-looking (meaning, laws that don't confiscate the guns currently out there) can not possibly have a significant impact. Yet 99% of what I hear from Democrats is gun control. I want someone who recognizes that we ned to take a long hard look at the crap our kids get bombarded with.

I assure you I'm quite lucid.

As for your 99% remark, you're clearly not listening very well then.

-spence

You stated that detbuch doesn't want to protect little kids, despite the fact that he never said anything of the kind.

The fact that you can mindlessly regurguitate one-sided talking points does not make you lucid. Anytime anyone offered another opinion, your response was "suck it up haters".

Lucid? Hardly.

That was pretty obvious sarcasm, I insinuated nothing of the sort.
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Here is what you typed, verbatum...

"You're right...we should do nothing and just let natural order take over..."

You didn't type "suck it, haters" multiple times?

Seriously, are you OK today?

no joy here the hater's have arrived

With guards at school I can tell you what is NOT next and that is known as death of children.Still waiting for your suggestion.Do youthink McVeigh didn't get outside enough?What about Kaczinski our homegrown unabomber;too much spongebob?While you are writing op eds kids are dying at school but you think we should stand down while I prefer to deal with it?That is real courage and conviction,the country is indebted to your service indeed.

that's what every nut-job says right before they lose it :uhuh::hidin:

I like turtles
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Jimmy, just wait until he starts threatening to smack you because you disagree with him.

I declared a new mantra for myself last month that I plan on carrying through 2013... "You cannot reason with the unreasonable."

It works well to remind me not to try to understand women's emotions, hyper-liberals, mega-conservatives and people like Sea Dangles that coast around fishing websites calling random people he disagrees idiots and claiming he'd smack you if you were in the room.

Places in time I guess .. funny ,, I just saw the history of xmas on the history channel . Very telling . Children were not valued as much in this country until after the industrial revolution . I guess they were factory workers before that . They became the center of the home during the Victorian age . Santa Claus was invented ,, later songs ,, Rudolph ,, White Christmas.. This all happened 50's early 60's .. 1962 (Charles #^&#^&#^&#^&ens) A Christmas Carol with Mr. Magoo was the best telling of that story ever . As beautiful time as it was to grow up, all this Santa Claus stuff was fueled by advertisers. Even Santa coming down the chimney was a ad to sell Coal originally . enter Black Friday,,, Now people going out shopping is becoming less and pushing buttons in your home buying on the internet is becoming the norm ,, I believe that's black Monday ? ,, the busiest shopping day now .. For better or worse we never stand still .. We evolve ..

You must have seen some snow yesterday for Christmas that should cheer you up.

Does it make me a bad person if I really don't worry about this subject, the sky falling, very often?

too funny, nah, cooking my prime rib on the grill with heavy snow and 23 degree weather was not how I planned to spend Christmas in TX, Still was a great day though.

And I dont think your a bad person for not worrying but I think we need to look around every now and then and see how things are shaking out. Negative change, IMHO, has been drastic lately with more rules and regulation coming fast and furious. We accept most of it but at what point is it too much? When are we no longer the land of the free?

The 10 worst regulations of 2012 News -- GOPUSA

Thought I might give a link to a few of the MANY examples of regulations just passed, and many more to come from the hundreds of Federal Regulatory Agencies (as well as those from State agencies).

BTW, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), responsible for the first (#10) of the regulations listed in the article, is possibly a new model for future regulatory agencies which can be sheltered even more than other existing agencies. Because it is placed within the Federal Reserve its budget is not subject to congressional control which limits congressional AND, as well, presidential oversight, and the Federal Reserve is statutorily prohibited from intervening in CFPB affairs.

im not very religious but thought this was interesting and pretty prophetic for 1965.....its a shame how accurate this is

CLASSIC REWIND - 1965: 'If I Were the Devil' (Warning for a Nation) - Paul Harvey - Paul Harvey - Fox Nation

whew, I feel safer, dont you?
Apparently this is the America Dangles wants.....

Maryland school suspends six-year-old boy for making gun gesture, saying ?pow? - Yahoo! News

There's 2 of the stupidest things wrong today in 1 story.....

The "Politically Correct Over-reaction of the school" and the "Quick Call a lawyer and lets sue" reaction by the parents.

folks are also suing the movie theatre where the other shooting took place.......sad but true

Either you are making a point and using me to help or you are incredibly stupid.
Context is hard to follow for the close minded but I will try to help you.
Go back and read the thread from the start and try to understand what I meant by deal with it...do you think I meant we should ignore the problems because there is nothing that can be done? If you are nodding your head,you are stupid.If you think I meant we need to find the best solution as a country and deal with the circumstances we are burdened with then you have a clue as to what I meant. Give yourself a pat on the back for me.
Nobody ever expected an attack like the one we were burdened with on 9/11, but we have moved forward and we have dealt with it. How? you ask....drones,seal teams,bombs etc. That is dealing with it in my world.
I hear Switzerland is nice this time of year,perhaps you could take up yodeling.