You forgot executioner! :bshake:

Not sure of your question?

If temperature was such an issue they should have had people in the parking lot where it was colder inflating peoples tires..... :wall:

#1 this is reported! #2 the reporter conveniently fails to mention the additional 12 balls.
The entire thing sounds like a pile of crap. All the way around. Not buying the insidious cloak and dagger stuff.
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Pats scored 28 unanswered points in the second half. Clearly the ball wasnt an issue.

Your tire analogy is a bit extreme .Kinda like all the bass will be gone if charter-boats get 2@33" ;) Go look at your boat trailer tires in the cold, they look like they are flat. It's a fact , air expands with temperature.
Hater
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Every major college team manipulates the footballs as does all 32 NFL teams. Its an unwrittten part of the game. Aaron Rogers came out and said how he overinflates the game balls and hopes he doesn't get caught. Eli Manning has the game balls manipulated for months before they put them into service. Does this make it right? No. Should there be a punishment? Yes. But the balls should be controlled by the NFL up until kick off. The system is flawed.
I doubt most NFL players could tell the difference between 13.5 psi and 11.5 psi. This whole thing is being blown out of proportion and the Pats are victims of their decade plus stretch of success.

That is over time hot cold hot cold . There was not enough time for this to happen and the tire analogy and dead on.

Hater yes. I am a hater cause i dont like cheaters and that is what they have been about for the last decade or so.

The NFL will be a much better place with out BB and princess brady.. Cant wait for that jack a55 Kraft to go away as well.

Oh and lets not ruin a great thread by bringing the Striper debate into it. Keep that BS for the longest circular thread on SB.
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Substitute the word winners for cheaters in the above
Jealousy will do that
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You are absolutely correct Mike.

Personally i respect winners just not the cheating kind. To this day it amazes me how blind Pats fans are to the truth, reminds me of the old Cowboys days.
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EXACTLY, it wasn't even 24 hours to enjoy, celebrate another championship and trip to the superbowl. it pisses me off.
The stigma of spygate never goes away, now this crap being blown out of proportion will just exasperate anything and everything about cheating and destroy the accomplishments while every yahoo chimes in around the country blasting the organization/coach/owner/QB whatever. Sports fans love controversy I guess, or media does.

They tried that and the QB's all complained up and down, the brand new balls have a film on them and it affects how you can grip it, that is why they now let them break them in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-c...-ts=1421782837

ironic but fitting title

What's the bigger issue 2lbs of air or a guy beating the crap out of his girlfriend and dragging her out of the elevator like a road kill blocking his SUV? Patriots are a team the league loves to hate and unfortunately for us, the league as an image issue on not dealing with things, so we are going to be screwed next year for sure.

It really sucks to have such a great year of accomplishments tainted by a NON-issue, deflated balls wouldn't have impacted that game or any other to the extend people suspect. I know it's not going to happen, but boy wouldn't a blowout win for the Pats make a statement to everyone.

At least I got a laugh listening to 105.7 and a paraday sung to the AC/DC song big balls, go listen http://www.wror.com you will too.

Shoot a huge deer and the jelouse haters cone out of the woods with BS accusations .
Catch a record fish .. Ditto
Be the best team in a decade ....
Speaks more to the character of the haters and those that are successful. Pathetic
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Remember WWF? it was scripted to generate a soap opera type plot. The scripts created heros and villains.

Who's to say this isn't all scripted? I'm always the skeptic.. Sorry.
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You mean to tell me that Wrestling is scripted?

If Brady didn't throw an interception with a deflated ball that is supposedly used to give him an advantage....would this be a story right now?
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Yes.
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Is this why you hate George Brett?
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After hearing BB press conference statement, it will fall to hearing from TB about his personal preferences, which is where BB left it to play out, IMO. So next up under the microscope will be TB and Josh McDaniels I would think....

The press conference was interesting. Said he has never heard anything about deflating footballs. Kind of debunks the report from yesterday that the Colts reported it to the NFL after the November game. If they did and the NFL didn't contact Belichek it falls into the NFLs lap. Brady will be talking at 4pm today.

He cheated before, he may be lying now. I agree with the sentiment that this isn't on the same level as the systematic stealing of other teams play calls by video. Both teams played with the deflated balls. One team knowing the other teams plays clearly destroys the integrity of the game.

Every team did the video taping too. It made no difference then and it makes no difference now.
A bunch of drama over nothing .
Nobody cares what losing teams do . This wouldn't have been mentioned if Indy won
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3D2gsPUR0

this is funny



I heard Seattle lined up with an illegal formation 6 man wedge on the onside kick. therefore we should be playing GB in the superbowl.


Yes the integrity is in question by all the haters out there
any of the nuts comparing this to bountygate are delusional, this is not anything close to hurting any players, more like jay walking if guilty but since it's the ex-cons, the Patriots, it gets blown out of proportion.

I look at this as something everybody does, and the refs just let it go......until someone whines like a little Bi-atch (pick a colt).

Look at baseball, pitchers are not supposed to use anything foreign on a baseball, yet they always have a little something in their glove or on their arm and it never gets made into a big deal......unless someone whines. The Umps really just accept it and move on.....because they are all doing it.

Skippy just sour because the only championship he gets to cheer on is the crowd noise bowl....and Seattle just took that title away from them :hihi:
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it would be soooo easy to weigh balls out on the field
with a digital scale and an aluminum fruit basket
if they think this is such a crucial issue... giving any team
an advantage... it would take less than ten seconds.

I called it !
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Raven, not applicable.........we are talking Pressure......not weight.

Question - does each team have to submit "brand new" footballs for inspection for each game or can you submit balls used in previous games?

DZ - I read that the teams can submit "used" balls - many quarterbacks have stated they practiced during the week with new balls and submitted them for use during a game. As long as they pass the ref's inspection they are good to go.

Huh? :smokin::smokin:

i was under the impression that the amount of air pumped in
changed the weight of the ball as well as the firmness. my bad

on the subject of HATERS
let them keep hating
as it releases bad substances into the body
shortening their lifespan which is fine by me.

Step back from the bong....
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Then I wonder if the balls in question are the same ones used in the last few games. Be easy to say they are and the officials had approved them at each of the previous games. If Brady doesn't admit to it then it will come down to that. I'm wondering if the officials are on the line here - did they inspect AND gauge each ball for pressure? Or did they just give a cursary eyeball and feel inspection? Any official that didn't do his job could be fired if admitting that - would this be cause for them to lie to save their job? This might be how the NFL will want it to shake out - not conclusive. Brady testimony will be key to this.

Baltimore tipped off the colts . Two losers collaborating . It's pathetic
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"NFL having hardtime finding eveidence"
 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/...i2?ocid=HPCDHP..

it's simple.. the Refs never checked the air pressure..

not sure how you figure I am sour when I am loving life because once again the Patriots are involved in a cheating scandal maybe if they kept Hernandez guarding the balls this would not have happened.


The only thig that is sour is all the butt hurt and in denial pats fan...
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With cameras everywhere, if they can't find actual video of someone intentionally letting air out or unless someone admits to it, then it is highly possible the balls were low when the ref "checked" them and said they were ok. I highly doubt they actually stick a needle in each ball using a league approved calibrated gauge to test the pressure of these balls. At best the ref, gives them a squeeze and says, yep, those are fine. Brady will come out and say "Everyone knows I like my balls soft" *smile* "the balls were inflated, the ref checked them and we played with the balls as inspected" *nods head* "I never doubt the pressure or have any reason to check the pressure, once the ref checks them. I have to assume they are good to use".

Soon after that the NFL will come out with no evidence of wrong doing.

It's all about Seattle......

Actually, they do check them, with a gauge for pressure, and with a scale for weight. After each one is checked, the referee takes a silver sharpie and makes an identifiable mark, unique to him, under the NFL logo on the ball. Only balls with that mark can be put into play. They also take the kicking balls out of the box (they're a case of new balls shipped in by Wilson for that one game), test each one of those, and with the same silver sharpie, the ref makes a K on each.

Both sets of balls stay in the refs' locker room with the back-up official, until a half hour before the game time. At that point, each team sends a representative---usually the ball boy---to the room, and he or she is given the bag of their team's game balls. The kicking balls stay in the custody of the back-up ref for the whole game.

The NFL has a 1 psi window of legality, and a 2 oz weight window. Letting the refs do the old "give 'er a squeeze and see" would be ludicrous. mainly because there isn't an official in the whole league who could tell if a ball was a pound off by squeezing it. People have to understand that they never, ever handle the ball in the same manner, using the same grip, as a QB. No other players do either. Not even the place kick holders who catch and spot the ball. It's totally different. And the refs probably wouldn't notice if they were 2 pounds under inflated. They don't grip the ball when they spot it in the same way that a QB does. It's all about the grip, not squeezing the ball from the sides.

So in your opinion Mike would a lb or 2 of pressure really make as big a difference with these guys with gloves and giant hands on a games outcome. I really don't see the problem here. Really nit picking IMO.
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