Sounds like you could have a job in fisheries management 😂
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Did you graduate from high school ?
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I guess there are atleast 5 who make $ off SB.

We catch far more fish in the 28 to 33 slot then fish over 33. Why
Is that so hard to grasp ? Dope maybe ?
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If you include plug makers its many many more. Maybe they can make hookless plugs and sell the experience 😊 we can all agree that a number of fish die after a release

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And I'll bet that most of the plug makers who voted above voted for 1 fish. I agree that a number of fish die after release. I think we all can also agree that keeping 2 fish kills twice as many fish as keeping 1 fish.

OK one more time, I'll try to be a little more clear with my common sense here.

It does not matter whether the limit to keep a bass is 20 inches or 30 inches, the probability stays the same of your chances of catching a 33 inch bass. Just like it is the same to catch a 50 pounder no matter what the legal length is to keep one.

Fisheries management manages to have maximum yeild, I think we would all benefit if they managed for maximum sustainable population at a diverse spread of age and size so that there is not some kind of huge void of let's just say for instance hardly any 20-25 pound fish or not enough 32" fish for example.

I have common sense, not a fisheries management degree, I'll stick to making boxes.

Whatever RI does, it does. We will have to live with it for 3 years.

I Agree with what you are saying but that was not my point and I believe you know that.
If you could only keep a fish 33 inches or above your chances of bringing home a fish to eat are a lot less then if you can bring home a fish 28 inches and above. That's just speaking from my experience maybe you guys are better at targeting the big fish.
I hope that is clear.

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I would say my chance of catching a 28" fish is a tiny bit better than a 33 but I don't chase those. Probably the same for most here. Coastwide, might make a little more difference but not drastically.

That said different year classes being missing / wiped out will make that more hit or miss as you drill down. The larger you make the minimum size, the more year classes you protect a little longer.

I am guessing I average 10 fish over 33 to 1 over 28

And yeah, Nebe is too dope!
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The good news is that in our area there seems to be more fish under 33" I guess that's why the charter boats in my area figure the 2@33 is going to be a significant reduction in fish killed . Sure there will be good days but there will not be full limits on most and in my opinion ( I do own a charter boat ) there could be less fish on some days then there would be with 1@28 being the for hire regulation .
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Where do you live? I see most Charters getting more than 2, more than 32". To keep one & C&R the rest goes in the right direction.

This is ridiculous. Let's end a species or reduce it to the point that we have to have this argument so that some people can have 2 instead of one. This is the problem with humanity-take take take till there is nothing left to give. There are plenty of other fish in this ocean that fight harder and taste better (never mind the mercury) than striper. You want two stripers instead of one, buy a fishing pole and catch it your damn self tomorrow.

Like I believe someone mentioned, did we get into fishing to make money or memories? What would the person who took you fishing for the first time say?

And if a charter can't catch fish over 28, 33 whatever, either you suck or there aren't any fish, pick one and re-evaluate.

Better yet... What are your grand kids gonna say?
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"gramps what were striped bass?"

Why take a bass charter in Mass Bay to "fight" 2 fish that weigh 15 lbs each anyhow? If that is an unlikely scenario or considered a good day,then it seems a tough sell Buck.
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Boats in green harbor . Live in Brant Rock .
No ground fish for us next year .
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has anyone actually seen or talked to one of these mythical clients who won't go fishing if they can't kill 2 bass....they are sure talked about quite a bit and causing quite a fuss, hell, we're working pretty hard to make special exceptions just for them... but I don't believe ever I've seen one weigh in on the subject anywhere....starting to wonder if they really exist

Scott there are actually clients like that. A friend of mine is a mate on a boat that runs 225-250 tpy

I asked him that question and he said they have four to eight trips a year where the client wants to go out, limit out, and immediately return to the dock.
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a bit tongue in cheek as it is the user group that all of this is about and the one that is seemingly absent in body and voice from the debate....that's the first attempt I've seen to quantify them...so we should keep a two fish bag limit for 225-250 trips a year so that approx. 2% who won't fish without the knowledge that they can keep two fish can have their fish?....and complicate the entire process....makes perfect sense....again...if it's so vitally important to this user group....it would be good to actually hear from "them">>> I suspect many of the don't even know the discussions are going on....lot's of data and evidence out there as to the decline....not much of either as to the whereabouts of the 2 bass or bust anglers

225 to 250 a year ????? You just make #^&#^&#^&#^& up
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just going by what Linesider82 stated..give me a number Buck.........why don't you produce 1 client who won't charter if they can't have 2 bass..that's the guy we're looking for and maybe he can explain why we're going through all of this nonsense so that he can keep his second fish....

no, those are actual numbers they run mostly 2 trips per day, and during the height of the year run 3
30 x 2 = 60 trips per month, times 4 = 240

So if you have days like a Monday or Tuesday where you didn't run 2 trips, you run 3 on weekends and make up for it. The math is not that difficult

We book maybe 15 to 20 .
At 1 @ 28 we will book half I figure . Cod is another story . Last year we booked 25 or so
This year 0
Would you pay 1200 dollars , drive up from jersey with your buddies , book a room , spend a couple hundred dining out , use up some valuable vaca time knowing you could only take home a couple fillets ?
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if i spent 1200 doing all of that the last thing i'd give a crap about is a couple fillets...you assume the fillets are the deal breaker for these folks, i give them the benefit of the doubt, maybe they enjoy the whole trip

1200 per trip + 240 tip ...................... I better be catching shark and tuna for that price

I agree and it better be a weekend long trip..
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It seems the charter captains in CT now support the 1@28" concept.
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Good to see you agree with me.
And let's not forget, if you cant catch a 1000 pound tuna every trip you either suck or there's not enough thousand pound tuna in the ocean ;)
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Truly a ridiculous debate to be having...

lets keep Rhode Island regulations so as to be more inviting for a van full of jersey guys, and meat fishermen (who derive little pleasure from the act of fishing and are in it for the fillets) will keep coming to Rhode island...maybe we can have a new state slogan to help drive business:
"FISH RHODE ISLAND: The oasis of striped bass meat, surrounded by a desert of 1-fish common sense states"

Again... its clear as crystal to see... charter captains (at least from what I gather in this thread) don't care about how much meat their clients are going home with, just how much money they themselves are going home with. That seems to be the reoccurring argument.
If a van full of guys stay in Jersey... good.
If a guy who doesnt enjoy fishing enough to even bother going if
he cant keep enough meat stays home... Oh well.

Why keep fighting so hard to protect the ability to kill 2 fish for guys with the least interest in the striped bass fishery? Oh yeah... we're not... the fight is
to protect income for charters, regardless of what it does to the population.

This is getting really old.

Nope !
I'd head south.
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We are not talking about tuna.:deadhorse:

I'm done too. If your worried charter boats are going to kill mass amounts of Stripers on every trip then there isn't a population problem. ( flipped your BS there ) There is a whole economy that surrounds these boats.
The selfish ones want the fish to be " game fish status "
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I'm a selfish 1.

"Game Fish Status" is seriously misunderstood.

As a game fish, striped bass would not be commercially fished and not sold in restaurants.

Recreational anglers including charters would still be able to fish for and KEEP striped bass. Game Fish Status only removes commercial fishermen from the equation.

To the commercial fishermen's credit, they are documenting every single bass caught and have remained at a flat-lined level of harvest for quite some time.

In regards to the economy surrounding striped bass, yes there is an entire vertical economy that does not center around any single contingent of fishermen. Commercial boats pay for slips, gas, maintainance, create jobs, and supply restaurants / markets with a food commodity. For-Hires offer people the opportunity to go fishing and experience the ocean and the fish without having to own or lug around any fishing gear. The average recreational angler is hands-down the largest factor in the fishing economy, they own boats just like charter capts. do, but there are a lot more of them... then you think of the lowly shore anglers... with their rod, reel and plug bag, and at the surface yes they don't appear to spend much money. Then you go to their house and realize their garage or basements are nearly complete tackle shops. I'm not trying to say that every angler spends un-godly amounts of money on fishing, but I am trying to say that every component of those that make up this fishery, comm, rec, for-hire, make up equal parts. So to give one segment special treatment because their business model is to kill two fish, I sorry but that is absurd.

"If your worried charter boats are going to kill mass amounts of Stripers on every trip then there isn't a population problem. "

Im not worried about "mass amounts every trip" as you stated.

The concern comes from giving hundreds of charter boats, making many trips per season, the option to keep double the fish. The end result of hundreds of charter boats keeping double = mass amounts over the course of a season

little things, done consistently, over time, have the greatest effect when seeking lasting change.
That holds true for anything in life... weight loss, diets, rebuilding a fish population, or contributing to the reduction of it.

Some RI Charter boats take out groups with mass commercial fishing licenses who will then turn around and sell the fish commercially in mass which pays for the trip and on a good day provides some extra cash for the group of anglers. It's a win win for the Charter boat who gets paid for the charter and for the guys with commercial licenses who get a free trip and some pocket money out of it.

I believe that would be illegal. Commercial fishing in RI with the expressed purpose of selling those fish in Mass.

So is speeding, or texting while driving...

but many play the odds, especially when profitable to do so.

True, but while government is known to look the other way when convenient, doesn't make it right.