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Nebe 08-03-2015 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackbass (Post 1078184)
Maybe Cruz is a democrat
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Cruz sponsored a bill to put our national parks and public lands for sale. not sure that was a democrat style move.
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Jackbass 08-03-2015 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1078187)
Cruz sponsored a bill to put our national parks and public lands for sale. not sure that was a democrat style move.
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Not sure that's a republican move either
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JohnR 08-03-2015 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1078178)
One way is by tax cuts to the rich, incredibly lax corporate tax rules and putting the heft of taxes on the middle class. Isn't that the GOP's mandate?
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There are three resolutions to not having enough money: spend less, generate more in productions, or shake the people down for more.

So the rich, per capita, pay the highest amount of federal income taxes is not enough?
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/201...3_taxesInd.png

I fully agree that corporations have too many loopholes so while the US corporate taxes are high - many companies go out of their way to bury it - there does need to be a balance

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1078183)
Simple. She's a republican.
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No, like many Ds (and some Rs) she is a Statist (anti-individual), with a heavy dose of Socialist, wrapped in a massive cocoon of Opportunist

Nebe 08-03-2015 07:45 AM

That's a move of a complete sell out who's hand is in the pockets of the Koch Brothers who gave him a ton of money to get elected. That move cemented the fact that I will never stand behind him unless he's on the edge of a dock.
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detbuch 08-03-2015 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1078189)
I fully agree that corporations have too many loopholes so while the US corporate taxes are high - many companies go out of their way to bury it - there does need to be a balance


While we have, without question, the highest statutory corporate tax rate of all countries, and while it is true that some corporations pay a far less effective rate than the statutory rate. The average effective (actual) corporate tax rate in the U.S. is similar to the combined average rate of the other OECD countries.

Of course, several countries have lower, even much lower statutory rates than the average effective rate in the U.S., making them tax havens as well as an attraction to lure corporations to move there.

But rather than the reality of what companies pay in the U.S. on average, what is focused on is those giant corporations who pay less or zero rates. That is a result, in large part, to the cronyism paid with donations to both parties. It also means that many companies pay more, far more, even the full statutory rate, to create the average effective rate.

Nebe 08-03-2015 10:25 AM

All that is moot when a corporation dumps all of its profits in a country like Luxembourg (Walmart) or Ireland (Apple), thus lying zero taxes on gains taken in the U.S.
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Fly Rod 08-03-2015 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1078190)
That's a move of a complete sell out who's hand is in the pockets of the Koch Brothers who gave him a ton of money to get elected. That move cemented the fact that I will never stand behind him unless he's on the edge of a dock.
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NEBE.....liberals mention the Koch Brothers.......liberals never mention....who's hands R in the pockets of Geroge Soros.....explain please.....:)

nightfighter 08-03-2015 04:52 PM

Another Dem who throws his money around is Tom Steyer. This Californian had his people out doing his lobbying to swing the local Senate election on the day the Marathon bombers had the state in lockdown. Knew him. Just have differences with his political views and how he pays to promote his views. There are others, so stop with the Koch card.

Eben, I had so much hope for you seeing your early posts in this thread too....

Nebe 08-03-2015 05:21 PM

Haha! Hey, I can't stand either sides!
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detbuch 08-03-2015 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1078194)
All that is moot when a corporation dumps all of its profits in a country like Luxembourg (Walmart) or Ireland (Apple), thus lying zero taxes on gains taken in the U.S.
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Not moot. That the average effective corporate tax rate in the U.S is similar to the average rate of the other OECD countries makes the point that the U.S. fiscal problem is not corporate tax rates, statutory or effective, but the government's spending more than it takes in. The corporations are successful because they have a positive cash flow, the U.S. government fails because it has a negative cash flow. And lf you think that our government's cash flow would become positive if the corporations all paid the statutory rate, or closer to it, you're not paying attention, or reading too many socialist leaning periodicals.

It has become axiomatic that the Federal government will always spend more than it gets. Raising greater revenue simply translates into greater spending, not a balancing of the books. That is the problem with progressive, or socialist governments, as Margaret Thatcher pointed out. And the cascade of social problems from that fiscal irresponsibility metastasizes into the overall cancer of oppressive, dictatorial government. A government which will always blame its problems on the productive elements of its society for not "paying their fair share."

Corporations, businesses small or large, individuals, will always pay as little in taxes as they are legally allowed. And will certainly seek creative ways to pay less taxes. As they all should. It is the duty of government to fiscally stay within the bounds of its mission statement, not to constantly expand, by mere whim, its mission beyond the framework on which it is built. Any expansion should require the consent of the citizens (legal), not by executive orders, congressional whim, or judicial activists.

On what basis should we be forced to pay for profligate government and the "programs" of the spendthrifts that run it?

Fishpart 08-04-2015 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1078190)
That's a move of a complete sell out who's hand is in the pockets of the Koch Brothers who gave him a ton of money to get elected. That move cemented the fact that I will never stand behind him unless he's on the edge of a dock.
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UR Funny. I'll bet the real reason we aren't building the Keystone Pipeline has more to do with Warren Buffet (Democrat Supporter)owning the rail companies than it has to do with global warming....

Want to see who the top donors are and who they give to?

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

Looks to me like the#48 Koch Brothers aren't so bad after all..


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