And this is the stuff they filtered out.

And this is the second server - who knows what was on the previous server (current server at time of this catching fire was Exchange Server 2010 - not securely patched BTW - which was not available until a lot later).

This is either a lack of seriousness on the nature of sensitive and classified information or a complete eff you to all us little people. Anyone else would go to jail for putting this on a non secure yet STILL government server - she put it on a public server, on the public Internet, managed by a company not certified by government IT office that certifies external vendors to manage systems that contain sensitive information - let alone classified info.

Anyone else would do Jail

can't wait to hear her bitch during the campaign about how the wealthy, powerful and well connected are always getting special treatment and are never held accountable while the average folk that she is the champion of, are always getting screwed


just saw a clip from morning Joke on MSNBC...trailer across the screen asks "Clinton emails: Reality or Right-Wing Conspiracy?".......right......the vast right wing conspiracy concocted all of Hillary's email problems....also responsible for all of Bill's philandering and any other issues that Hillary experiences in her life....."Hillary's Menopause...Reality or Right-Wing Conspiracy"

"can't wait to hear her bitch during the campaign about how the wealthy, powerful and well connected are always getting special treatment"

Gee, when you put it that way, it seems kind of laughable, doesn't it?

I've said it before, I'll say it again. I am dying to know what Biden's advisors are saying.


"also responsible for all of Bill's philandering and any other issues that Hillary experiences in her life"

Correct. If she really denied that the patron saint of infidelity was having an affair, but instead was being framed by a vast conspiracy of Republicans, then she doesn't have the judgment to deal with Putin or Iran, she simply doesn't. And if she doesn't believe it was the GOP, then yet again, she is a liar.

"Hillary's Menopause...Reality or Right-Wing Conspiracy"

Funny!


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ok, reword in a context that you will be able to justify voting for this person as president of the United States of AMERICA who has clearly shown lack of good judgement. is that what I am reading here? And you think Trump is dangerous, well I don't know which is worse

Trump is way way more dangerous.

Imagine #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney with a cocaine addiction and a verbal turrets syndrome running for president and you have Trump.

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Trump is not going to be the nominee. 75% of those polled support someone else. He's only in the lead, because right now, there are 85 "someone elses" to choose from. As the field narrows, the non-Trump vote will consolidate, and his position will drop. Guaranteed.

I know that.
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Spence, how do you wrap your mind around this statement by Hilary?

"I never sent or received any classified or top secret e mails on my server?
Seriously.

It means never sent or received any classified or top secret emails on her server.

If information passed through her email that was later classified that doesn't mean she sent or received. I doubt she'd be making that statement without her attorney's doing a careful scrub of the content.

Also, classification isn't a black or white subject. It's often quite subjective...

It is a witch hunt

Looks like they found the witch, too.

Actually, classification is pretty concrete. As are the rules that prohibit most of it being on even the less secure Federally protected networks, let alone a private server in a residence. If even part of what is being reported is true, this is a significant breech of security.

If your IT people did this with important business emails at the company you strategically message for, they would be fired. And that information, relatively speaking, is not important.

Spence, I think we also now know, that classified emails were stripped of their classified status, and then sent to her server. That is more than one felony.

Hence her carefully worded statement that she never sent or received emails that were classified at the time they were sent to her server. But I think it's basically settled that her statement is only true because someone committed felonies to make it true.

Top secret and compartmentalized aren't very subjective. If she can't tell what's at that level, she's not qualified to swim at the deep end of the pool.

The FBI should stop it's investigation immediately. :)

2 days ago, she jokes at a rally that she opened a snapchat account, and loves it because messages are deleted immediately. Haw, haw, haw! Mishandling of top secret messages is so funny!

Yesterday, a reporter asked her if, as the FBI suspects, her server had been wiped. She replied "what, do you mean with a cloth"?

Is this what we want, another 8 years of a POTUS who will parse and obfuscate, never just being honest?

Jerk.

You don't know that.

You know what's sad? The ignorance of the American people. The ignorance to let this bull#^&#^&#^&#^& distract them from what really matters.. Her political agenda. In all honesty I wonder if she actually wants this to happen so she doesn't have to talk about what she plans to do if elected.
Damn the 24 hour news cycle, which perpetuates endless drama in the name of "news".

Let's hear some promises so she can break them later :hihi:
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I think we do know that at this point. How else did stuff that was originally coded as classified, end up on her server, without the classified status? It's my understanding that's the case. Maybe MSNBC didn't report on it, so maybe you aren't aware of it.

If she mis-handled classified material, and then lied about it, that doesn't really matter? She may well have committed a felony. If that doesn't matter to you, that's your right. It matters to many others.

If the Secstate committed a felony, that's not news to you?

Where did you read that classified information was stripped of status and emailed to her? I've never seen that.

It just strikes me as kind of sad that everyone is looking for the "gotcha!" Moment.
I really wish she would just go away... She's really just a republican in Sheeps clothing.
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"It just strikes me as kind of sad that everyone is looking for the "gotcha!" Moment" True, and many are doing it for purely political reasons.

"She's really just a republican in Sheeps clothing."

Then what's Marco Rubio, a Nazi?

Wasn't she a republican when she was younger ? Before she got into politics?
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How classified information should be handled is pretty concrete, but how it becomes classified in the first place is quite subjective. With this specific case, when it became classified is being completely misreported given the current information.

While I'm sure we should (and now do) have laws to prevent this kind of behavior, I still haven't seen any real evidence that undermines her argument of convenience or that laws were broken.

We'll see if the FBI determines this a little or big issue...

The fact they are investigating makes it a big issue.
This is serious stuff that affects our national security.

My wife worked under top secret clearance. If anyone forgot to
lock a cabinet or desk overnight there would be a big red put sticker put on it.
You got fired immediately if you accumulated 3 stickers, and that was a low level position.

Hillary should be fired just for keeping women's pants suits in style. :hihi:

People can die when stuff is leaked like this. Our foreign policy suffers greatly when the other people can read the mail (literally) of the Secretary of State. Maybe Obama is really as smart as you seem to think he is but his efforts were undermined by the beyond negligent handling of secure information and perhaps worse, intent, because his Secretary of State could not keep sensitive effing data on secure networks. Instead she served it on a porcelain platter for the countries that seek (successfully in many ways) to undermine your hero of the people.

I am not a Guvmint Intelligence type though I read a little open source and have known a spook or three (seriously). I am , professionally, an IT person that supports smaller IT and if what HALF has been reported in fairly reliable news sources is legit. She effed up. Big Time.

It is not subjective. It is concrete. It is clearly defined.

http://20committee.com/2015/08/12/th...llarys-emails/

Yes, we will: http://www.npr.org/2015/08/19/432908...m_term=nprnews

Of course. The FBI doesn't pick people at trandom to investigate. If the FBI (who works for Obama, not the Koch Brothers) is investigating her server, it's because there is some evidence to suggest that laws were broken.

Interesting piece puts things in perspective

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/hi...rticle/2570680

So it was just used for making copies of e-mails, she shouldn't have had on her personal server in the first place, so she could give them to other people to open up on their non-government secured networks.....Brilliant.

I guess that's no big deal then....maybe she should just put'em up on instagram then.

she's toast........and draft Biden is the response?...gotta hand it to the dems.....while the repubs are sorting things out with their field of many, they don't have anyone running that is as dishonest as Hillary, as dumb as Biden or as distant from America's founding principles as Bernie

Trump, while successful, is a clown. But I think there are soime great talents in that field, and Ben Carson impresses me more and more every time he open his mouth.

What should happen once information is classified is clearly defined but the process as to how it gets there is quite subjective.

The other little item lost on everyone also seems to be that the state.gov email address she "should" have been using isn't supposed to have "classified" information on it either.

Compare this to the gwb43.com debacle and Clinton doesn't even come close...

Only time will tell after the FBI investigation is complete.

Wasn't the server supposed to be in Chapaqua where Hillary felt "comfortable"
because secret service guarded the property there, but ended up in a bathroom in Jersey?

Seeing you like Business Insider (fluff pieces mostly) I link the article from there:

No it's not.....

ALL government networks carry a classification level.....any data....ANY data generated on that network carries that classification until it is authorized to be downgraded to a lower level.

And even if she used her .gov email and transmitted or stored classified data on it, that would be a spill and would generate an automatic investigation.....

And just because documents don't carry a classification of Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret doesn't mean it doesn't fall under other categories that need special attention.

Categories like Unclass but Sensitive, FOUO (For Official Use Only), or NOFORN (No Foreign Nationals).....are all types of documents that may not carry a Classification but still need to be treated appropriately.....

At the very least she is guilty of gross negligence for by-passing government systems/safeguards......if they find out that she knowingly moved classified documents from government systems to Unclass systems, she should be doing time.
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I wonder if Bill is secretly hoping that she does time.
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:kewl:

If ANYONE else, any mere mortal, had done this, they would already be locked up with an investigation well underway.

The fact that politicians can skirt the same rules that bind the rest of us is absurd and is another indication on how far we have fallen from the path the founding fathers intended.

We the people for the people.
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Amazing how quickly they forget as soon as they get into office.
I'm sure the Founding Fathers felt it was an honor to serve the people.
I still feel each candidate should only be allowed to spend the same amount
of $ to run for office and shorter term limits applied.
It will never happen as they would have to initiate the change.

Think about it, most of these Congressmen are lawyers capable of making
mega bucks a year but choose to work for less than $200, 000 a year.

IMHO it certainly isn't because they want to SERVE the People. :doh:

That article does absolutely nothing to change what I stated....

It goes kinda like this.


http://youtu.be/CkTBf7HW_rg
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