I thought the root was all the bombs we drop on them and the random drone strikes. Wouldn't you want to kill someone if your house was bombed ? It's a vicious cycle
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Bernie says it's climate change
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In the case of so-called radical Islam, the answer is both. Fundamental Islam is both religion and government. There is no separation between those "roots" in jihadism.

That's why I have more confidence that Latino immigrants and their progeny could embrace the foundational American governmental system. The vast majority of them who are religious are Christian. There is a basis for a theological separation of church and state in the foundation of Christianity. Christ said to render unto Caesar (the state) what is "Caesar's and render unto God which is God's. It was exactly that basis which was one of the driving forces of the American Revolution and the constitutional founding of this country. It was that Judeo-Christian ethic which allowed secular and religious freedom to exist together under the over-arching principal of individual freedom.

That's why I have much less, if any, confidence that truly Muslim immigrants and their progeny who remain truly Muslim could embrace our constitutional principals of government. The basis, the foundation, the fundamental principle of Islam is the joining of politics and religion. For a true Muslim they are one and the same, and that juncture is not compatible with our foundational principles.

There is the hope that Islam will be reformed, and that might have the best chance of happening in our multi-cultural society with all of its supposedly superior benefits in the quality of life and freedom of choice. We hope that Islam can be seduced into reformation. The problem is that if you remove the joining of politics and religion from Islam, it is no longer Islam. The founder of Islam, Mohammed, specifically made religion and state the same entity. If you remove either from Islam, it is no longer the same thing.

Obviously, if Islam were to be compatible with our constitutional system and could be made so by removing either religion or politics from it, it would have to be the politics. But then what would be left? If the statist aspect is removed from Islam, it becomes a gutted shadow of what made it "great" and what was the driving force and principle in its foundation and growth. And its guiding rules embodied in the Quran and the Hadith would have to be so greatly revised as to become a different entity--maybe some offshoot or sect of its original ties to Judaism or the twelve tribes. I doubt that such a contradictory reformation can happen.

I think that so long as Muslims remain a small, relatively powerless group in the broad national sense, they can be a productive, cooperative, and "very nice" people with sporadic or unreported incidences of honor killings or other various gruesome doings that are part of their culture. When they become a majority the good, "nice", things begin to fall apart.

And, so long as Islam where it is the ruling power, is at war with the West, especially the great Satan America, there is that emotional, spiritual attachment to it and its war in the hearts and souls of faithful Muslims, even here in the U.S. And therein lies the potential, the probability, that young idealistic, truly Muslim, minds will be "radicalized."

And Islam's greatest friend here, ironically, is secular progressivism. It is the progressive/socialist hope that religion of all sorts will become hypocritical shadows of "faith" and fade away by force of strictly humanistic values of fairness, equality, and elimination of class disparities. It sees success in the marginalization of and perceived irrelevance of Christianity (so can let it wither and be destroyed in Muslim countries without protesting or doing much to help, and chastising Christians here reminding them of their past sins). And it sees the necessity of helping Muslim dissidents, refugees, and "moderates" in the hope that they too will weaken the fundamentals of their faith so that Islam is slowly "reformed"--and fades away.

There is also an indirect, "relative," tie between the progressives and the Muslims. Both share the principle of the "benevolent" all-powerful State. And both are incompatible with our founding constitutional structure. And both, at their true fundamental core, are (or can be re Islam) the enemy within that corrupts and destroys the character and foundation of this country. On the other hand, both would like to see the other disappear. But, in the meantime, each can be a tool of the other.

He does and it's a very good argument.
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How was Osama Bin Laden negatively impacted by climate change? Or the Ft Hood shooter? Or the mastermind of the Paris attacks, who went to a prestigious high school?

The issues in Syria Jim. The issues in Syria.
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if only that were true

That's what he said during the debate.
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Climate change leads to crop failure leads to hunger leads to uprising leads to terrorism
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Ah, the hysterical ravings of the edumacated Democrap mind.

Classic!

Nebe....now I know Y Jessi James robbed banks, the dust bowl of the thirties that reached to DC...yup it was climate change that made him do it or was it the locust......LOL....:)

[QUOTE=Nebe;1086862]Climate change leads to crop failure leads to hunger leads to uprising leads to terrorism
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Seems reasonable 😜
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Google it.
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Bernie should have explained that to Obama or Bush long ago. They could have suppressed uprising and terrorism simply by sending boatloads of grains to make up for crop failures.

But wait . . . don't the folks who breed terrorism live in the lands that produce the oil that is used to create climate change. Dang . . . they could stop pumping oil; which would prevent climate change; which would save their crops; which would remove the need for uprising and terrorism . . .

Is it the only reason? No.. But it is has a lot to do with it.
I can understand that you guys can't grasp complex issues.
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Oh crap . . . there are other reasons too? Does sound rather complex . . . and hopeless . . . it's tough enough to prevent climate change . . . But other reasons too . . . ahh man that's too much for simple mortals to fix. Gotta give Obama and Hillary some slack on that one. Maybe even Bush.

oh my........

hey Eben, you know that Assad is a Socialist...right?....maybe you should consider Syria...I hear there's plenty of room opening up and they have tons of raw material for your glass blowing...:wavey:

NEBE U may B right....could B too complex for me....Y R they not rioting in Northern Kentucky, there is hunger,there is no uprising, no terrorism,your president has taken away their livelihood, most coal mines R closed..... people in them towns R....:mad:

Kentucky is the third largest coal producer in the USA just behind West Virginia. Overall US coal production is still around all-time high levels.

which, I guess means....drought and famine and the resulting terrorism are just around the corner

Spence from one of your socialist websites....

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../coal-j13.html

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/marke...ust/ar-AAe8rsU

You're blaming the President, even that socialist website says the closures are about profit and shifting areas of production.

No. Just lots and lots of meth...

That's not what Rush Limbaugh said. ;)
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the only problem with that theory is that what we've seen is that the Islamic terrorists are generally organized, well funded, educated and not suffering from the scourge of crop failure or hunger....they resemble some of what we see on American College campuses lately more than they resemble poor frustrated victims of drought stricken nations........nice try though

none of the Paris attackers appear to have been suffering famine
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

the Boston Marathon bombers were not suffering from hunger...etc...etc

you can run through the list, lot's of examples to chose from...please show a single example where a terrorist act can actually be attributed to climate change in any way :huh:

this guy does not look malnourished http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ks-France.html

and in all of the video etc..I've seen of protests and riots...I've never seen any signs or heard any cries or chants related to global warming, climate, famine or hunger

If you were not a 2 dimensional thinker you would realize that what I am talking about here is that crop failure leads to someone in Iraq or Syria to abandoning their way of life and joining a terrorist group or even a rebel group because now they can eat and get paid.

This is not rocket science.
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And furthermore, what does the Boston bombers have to do with the original argument that Bernie Sander's pointed out- that climate change is partly to blame for the unrest and de stabilization of Syria and Iraq ?

Looks like you are grasping at straws to prove he is wrong. He is not wrong.
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Climate change leads to crop failure leads to hunger leads to uprising leads to terrorism



again...look through the examples...you'll have a difficult time finding individuals who have been responsible for a terrorist attack and find and example where "crop failure leads to someone in Iraq or Syria to abandoning their way of life and joining a terrorist group"

there should be plenty to support your contention...even using what? three dimensional...four dimensional thinking??

I don't get the rationale behind linking lack of food, and genocide . Mass migration maybe but not mass murder and murdering in the most brutal and barbaric ways .
Maybe I need to think in the fourth dimension then I can come up with reasons to excuse barbaric behavior
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especially since we know that 4 in 10 Americans go to bed hungry every night

Give them lots of crystal meth.
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Isis has 30 thousand fighters.
Some came from the US and Europe, and others are there because it was their only option.
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ISIS is only the latest and greatest example of Islamic violence....you and Bernie act as though the problem just popped up recently and the rest of the left acts as though ISIS is the sole purveyor...stop with the knee jerk reaction wanting to blame everything on climate change...it's a little ridiculous.....it was not their only option....suggesting that is just providing justification

Bernie Sanders didn't say it was the only reason for people to embraced Bernie Sanders didn't say it was the only reason for people to embrace terrors terrorism. He just said it was a reason that should be looked at and it knowledged
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:huh:

“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate. “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”
Since the overwhelming majority of pundits and policymakers don’t understand the existential threat climate change poses, Sanders remarks were criticized, much as fellow presidential candidate Martin O’Malley’s were back in July. Yet for over three years, leading security and climate experts — and Syrians themselves — have made the connection between climate change and the Syrian civil war. Indeed, when a major peer-reviewed study came out on in March making this very case, Retired Navy Rear Admiral David Titley said it identifies “a pretty convincing climate fingerprint” for the Syrian drought.
Titley, a meteorologist who led the U.S. Navy’s Task Force on Climate Change when he was at the Pentagon, also said, “you can draw a very credible climate connection to this disaster we call ISIS right now.”
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yes...climate change/global warming wackos blame everything on climate change and global warming...which is why no one listens to them anymore :chased:

Tell that to your great grand children.
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“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate. :screwy:

Eben...shouldn't this be the other way around? sounds like Bernie is saying that climate change is being caused by the growth of terrorism..

might want to clarify that as it could be an important distinction...need to know if we should combat climate change by fighting terrorism or combat terrorism by fighting climate change