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spence 12-09-2015 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1088189)
What would happen to ISIS's recruiting strategy if ISIS was destroyed?
Brilliant! Somebody should relay this to the President.
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Jim in CT 12-09-2015 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088214)
Brilliant! Somebody should relay this to the President.
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What's his plan to accomnplish this? To make it harder for law-abiding Americans to buy guns, and to get more people to convert to solar panels? Yessir, that will bring ISIS to their knees before lunch!

detbuch 12-09-2015 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088214)
Brilliant! Somebody should relay this to the President.
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Yup. Then he and that hugely vast majority of moderate Muslims could finally get together and easily stamp out that really tiny group of radical, extremists who call themselves Muslim but really aren't.

Nebe 12-09-2015 09:25 AM
The US government does not want to solve problems. They want to create more problems so we are further dependant on the system ;)
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Jim in CT 12-09-2015 09:28 AM
When Bush stood at th erubble of the twin towers, he got on top of a car, ambraced a foreman, and yelled into a bullhorn "I hear you! America hears you! And soon, the people who knowcked down these towers, will hear from all of us!" He said it, he meant it, and he did it. We can, and shoud, debate how well he dit it, and what he could have done better. Say what you will about him, he said ehwt he felt and he did what he said.

Today, we have Obama. In reference to one massacre after another, he warns us not to be rude to Muslims, to think twice about buying guns, and to use less fossil fuel.

When you put it that way, one of those two guys really looks like an idiot, doesn't he?

Jim in CT 12-09-2015 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1088219)
The US government does not want to solve problems. They want to create more problems so we are further dependant on the system ;)
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Said the guy who supports, wait for it, Bernie Sanders. Because Bernie the socialist will reduce dependency on the system?

Nebe 12-09-2015 09:31 AM
I didn't say I was against it ;)
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Nebe 12-09-2015 09:32 AM
Or at least, I didn't say I am against Bernies agenda.
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detbuch 12-09-2015 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1088209)
Very well put. This is totally the back swing of the pendulum.
The thing is.. There is no way that trump will be elected. That is unless the dumbing down of America has reached its final stages ;)
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Actually, the dumbing down of America has been occurring for several years under socialist policies which create an environment in which individual responsibility is diminished, even ridiculed, in favor of government aid. Policies which create a climate of thought in which solving personal problems becomes too difficult without government intervention. Policies which entitle Americans to growing lists of government help and handouts which in turn transforms growing numbers of Americans who become convinced there is no embarrassment or indignity in being given the handouts. And who then not only believe they are owed the gifts which they now demand, but who then are taught that the gifts actually give them dignity. At which point they have been dumbed down to believing that their sustenance and dignity depends on the largesse of government.

The final stages of the dumbing down of America will more easily be achieved with the election of Bernie Sanders. From there, we can evolve, or descend, into further degradations of actual individual freedom and dignity.

Jim in CT 12-09-2015 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1088206)
http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ader-virginia/

this is great...Obama administration official goes to "moderate" Mosque to condemn Trump and his rhetoric...turns out the Mosque he is condemning Trump from has been investigated for all sorts of ties to Hamas, Muslim Brotherhood...and on...

Trump is riding a wave of folks who trust his foolishness more than they trust leftist stupidity and they are anxious to embrace someone who won't be cowed by political correctness...

it's the swing of the pendulum......payback for 8 years of the worst president in American history who, through the help of his supporters, has lowered the bar and sewn the seeds of discontent, rubbed old wounds raw(as any good community organizer is instructed to do)...using Spence logic...the democrats have created Trump and have played right into his hands:kewl:

every presidential election season the dems and the media scream of the republicans and their candidates..."where's the red meat??"...here you go , a heaping helping...:heybaby:

I don't like Trump...but I can't say I don't and won't enjoy the hair pulling, hand wringing and cackling from the folks that gave us Obama
I don't care for Trump either, but I am glad he's in the race (thus far), here's why...his presence on that stage is increasing debate audiences by millions and millions. Tons of people are watching on TV just to see what he might do. Some of those people, who only tuned in for Trump, will hear Carson, or Cruz, or Rubio, and think, "hey, that guy doesn't hate everybody like Obama and NBC claim. He sounds smart to me, I'll give him a listen". That's a good thing, as long as he doesn't stick around TOO long.

Fly Rod 12-09-2015 10:54 AM
If Bernie is elected what will the new flag look like?.....your president thought he was an advocate for gun control....in reality he has been the best advocate for the purchasing of guns, can not keep guns on gun shop shelves....as far as banning people on the no fly list over 40% of the 70 thousand on the list do not belong on it....Ted Kennedy, John Lewis(senator) and a couple of US news reporters was on it.....if U get a one way ticket to go to a foreign country U may end up on the no fly list....what some people do not know when purchasing a gun U R checked by the feds and they also check the no fly list included in that check...:)

RIROCKHOUND 12-09-2015 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1088229)
That's a good thing, as long as he doesn't stick around TOO long.
And your argument above is very reasoned for getting the message out, but what mechanism is there to get rid of him from the race? The most inflammatory things he says INCREASE his poll numbers, even when false (i.e. 1000's in Jersey city, NJ)

buckman 12-09-2015 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1088231)
The most inflammatory things he says INCREASE his poll numbers, even when false (i.e. 1000's in Jersey city, NJ)
Déjà vu from several years ago
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Jim in CT 12-09-2015 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1088231)
And your argument above is very reasoned for getting the message out, but what mechanism is there to get rid of him from the race? The most inflammatory things he says INCREASE his poll numbers, even when false (i.e. 1000's in Jersey city, NJ)
Are his poll numbers at an all-time high?

The mechanism to get him out, i sthat 75% of GOP voters want someone else. Problem is, now, there are too many alternatives to Trump. As some drop out, the "non Trump vote" will consolidate around 1 or 2 candidates, he will falter and, eventually, fail. I hope.

Nebe 12-09-2015 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod (Post 1088230)
If Bernie is elected what will the new flag look like?.....your president thought he was an advocate for gun control....in reality he has been the best advocate for the purchasing of guns, can not keep guns on gun shop shelves....as far as banning people on the no fly list over 40% of the 70 thousand on the list do not belong on it....Ted Kennedy, John Lewis(senator) and a couple of US news reporters was on it.....if U get a one way ticket to go to a foreign country U may end up on the no fly list....what some people do not know when purchasing a gun U R checked by the feds and they also check the no fly list included in that check...:)

Psssst. Bernie is pro gun. :wave:
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Piscator 12-09-2015 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1087924)
The K-1 visa is actually supposed to be pretty hard to get through. Even have to provide police records from every place you've lived since age 16. You also have no idea if she was radicalized before she came, you're just making assumptions at this point.
And now I think we know the answer...

https://gma.yahoo.com/san-bernardino...pstories.html#

buckman 12-09-2015 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Piscator (Post 1088242)
And now I think we know the answer...

https://gma.yahoo.com/san-bernardino...pstories.html#
Spence is proven wrong only a little less often than Obama . At least in this thread 😊
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RIROCKHOUND 12-09-2015 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1088238)
Are his poll numbers at an all-time high?

The mechanism to get him out, i sthat 75% of GOP voters want someone else. Problem is, now, there are too many alternatives to Trump. As some drop out, the "non Trump vote" will consolidate around 1 or 2 candidates, he will falter and, eventually, fail. I hope.
We'll see.
It will be a game of chicken to see who drops out, and if it happens in time. All assuming Trump doesn't go third party.

Jim in CT 12-09-2015 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1088247)
We'll see.
It will be a game of chicken to see who drops out, and if it happens in time. All assuming Trump doesn't go third party.
Howard Dean was in the hunt on your side, early on, as I recall. Like Trump, he's a little funny in the head. Though not as overtly bombastic as Trump, though not by all that much, either. When Dean was running, he said that if he won, he would consider having the FCC breakup Foxnews. That's a wee bit fascist.

Fly Rod 12-10-2015 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1088240)
Psssst. Bernie is pro gun. :wave:
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did not mention or ask if bernie was pro gun....only mentioned your current president about guns....

Fly Rod 12-15-2015 09:41 AM
Under obama's watch in 2012 a secret policy that barred federal agents from looking at social media post for visa applicants...this policy still stands today....they bar agents but employers R allowed to check U out on social media when applying for a job....durrrr.....:)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ial-media.html

spence 12-16-2015 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod (Post 1088696)
Under obama's watch in 2012 a secret policy that barred federal agents from looking at social media post for visa applicants...this policy still stands today....they bar agents but employers R allowed to check U out on social media when applying for a job....durrrr.....:)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ial-media.html
This appears to be another story being blown out of proportion.

When an employer checks you out on social media all they can do is potentially view public posts like this one. The killers from California apparently did not make any public remarks on social media about jihad or martyrdom, so there's no way the VISA background checks would have caught it anyway.

Slipknot 12-16-2015 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088772)
This appears to be another story being blown out of proportion.

When an employer checks you out on social media all they can do is potentially view public posts like this one. The killers from California apparently did not make any public remarks on social media about jihad or martyrdom, so there's no way the VISA background checks would have caught it anyway.

but the moron isis guy who posted a photo on FB in front of his headquarters sure did some good as in less than 48 hours the place was blown off the face of the earth. trouble is they announced it instead of keeping it quiet so they and the media would not tip off the enemy from more stupidity.

spence 12-16-2015 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1088782)
but the moron isis guy who posted a photo on FB in front of his headquarters sure did some good as in less than 48 hours the place was blown off the face of the earth. trouble is they announced it instead of keeping it quiet so they and the media would not tip off the enemy from more stupidity.
Or the Russian soldier forgetting his selfies in Ukraine had location data :doh:

buckman 12-16-2015 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly Rod (Post 1088696)
Under obama's watch in 2012 a secret policy that barred federal agents from looking at social media post for visa applicants...this policy still stands today....they bar agents but employers R allowed to check U out on social media when applying for a job....durrrr.....:)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ial-media.html
Teachers lose jobs , cops lose jobs
Politicians lose jobs all because of posts on social media . I bet if you go adopt a pet, you are vetted and checked out on social media .
I can't imagine why it would be OK to grab peoples phone records but not look at their Facebook .
But then again I still don't understand why you don't need an ID to vote .
This one baffles me too.
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spence 12-16-2015 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1088785)
I can't imagine why it would be OK to grab peoples phone records but not look at their Facebook .
To grab someone's phone records requires a court order. I don't know if you've ever used Facebook but you'd have to hack into their account, get a warrant or friend them to see anything. That's why this is pretty silly.

How many VISA applicant wannabe jihadis do you think are on open forums like S-B using their real names?

detbuch 12-16-2015 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088794)
To grab someone's phone records requires a court order. I don't know if you've ever used Facebook but you'd have to hack into their account, get a warrant or friend them to see anything. That's why this is pretty silly.

How many VISA applicant wannabe jihadis do you think are on open forums like S-B using their real names?
Which is why it is not unreasonable to suggest a moratorium on immigration. We have had moratoriums (long ones) in the past. We are going to great difficulty to create a fallible process of importing a huge number of refugees into our already over populated economy and social network and safety net, all at the expense and danger to the rest of us. We are going through hoops and pinholes to fight a world wide PR war, and are half-heartedly going about the destruction of the cause for that war.

If it requires a reset of who we are, an Obama transformation, and we cannot defeat the enemy with all-out war, then better to become disentangled with the whole mess and let the rest of the world sort itself out.

buckman 12-16-2015 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088794)
To grab someone's phone records requires a court order. I don't know if you've ever used Facebook but you'd have to hack into their account, get a warrant or friend them to see anything. That's why this is pretty silly.

How many VISA applicant wannabe jihadis do you think are on open forums like S-B using their real names?
If you think the only people that have access to your Facebook info are your "friends" , you are living in a fantasy world .
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spence 12-16-2015 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1088802)
Which is why it is not unreasonable to suggest a moratorium on immigration. We have had moratoriums (long ones) in the past. We are going to great difficulty to create a fallible process of importing a huge number of refugees into our already over populated economy and social network and safety net, all at the expense and danger to the rest of us. We are going through hoops and pinholes to fight a world wide PR war, and are half-heartedly going about the destruction of the cause for that war.

If it requires a reset of who we are, an Obama transformation, and we cannot defeat the enemy with all-out war, then better to become disentangled with the whole mess and let the rest of the world sort itself out.
I think we allow close to 100,000 refugees per year, so 10,000 isn't exactly a surge. Recently I read the US ranks #14 in amount of refugees taken, so it'a not exactly like we're shouldering the brunt of the load.

The process isn't being created, it already exists and it's not easy. Say 18 months + and I don't believe under international law you get to choose what country you're sent to.

I'm not sure what a moratorium would accomplish beyond just subjecting more people to terrorism.

spence 12-16-2015 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1088807)
If you think the only people that have access to your Facebook info are your "friends" , you are living in a fantasy world .
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Like who? Name names.

buckman 12-16-2015 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088809)
Like who? Name names.
I can't divulge that ...it's classified ;)
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spence 12-16-2015 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1088812)
I can't divulge that ...it's classified ;)
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I didn't think so either.

buckman 12-17-2015 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088821)
I didn't think so either.
How about Mark Zuckerberg , his company and anybody that has a few dollars to buy some of the information that they harvest from your page

Hell you don't even own the photos that you post up there .

Does it ever dawn on you, when you see the advertisements pop up on your newsfeed , how timely they are with events in your life and the things that you enjoy .

Do you seriously think that's just a coincidence ?

You are a funny guy
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detbuch 12-17-2015 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088808)
I think we allow close to 100,000 refugees per year, so 10,000 isn't exactly a surge. Recently I read the US ranks #14 in amount of refugees taken, so it'a not exactly like we're shouldering the brunt of the load.

On top of the 100,000+ Syrians entered here since 2012?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16...-100000-since/


The process isn't being created, it already exists and it's not easy. Say 18 months + and I don't believe under international law you get to choose what country you're sent to.

Are you forgetting one of your favorite causes for process snafu, the ever-present "systemic failure"? Benghazi, police depts., etc.

I'm not sure what a moratorium would accomplish beyond just subjecting more people to terrorism.
Wha . . .? I didn't know that they were being subjected to terrorism in the refugee camps.

The Dad Fisherman 12-17-2015 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1088809)
Like who? Name names.
Kevin Bacon....

You're within 6 degrees of him on facebook....

Raven 12-17-2015 01:24 PM
I can just hear him Sizzle


but.... http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c66/ravenob1/cant.png

spence 12-17-2015 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1088827)
How about Mark Zuckerberg , his company and anybody that has a few dollars to buy some of the information that they harvest from your page

Hell you don't even own the photos that you post up there .

Does it ever dawn on you, when you see the advertisements pop up on your newsfeed , how timely they are with events in your life and the things that you enjoy .

Do you seriously think that's just a coincidence ?

You are a funny guy
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Next you're going to be telling me my bank knows exactly how much money in my checking account...like to the penny.

Internet marketing has more to do with the cookies created by product searches or specific product websites that anything else. It's not like someone talking about the metaphysical implications of jihad on Facebook is going to start seeing an "Amazon Pipe Bomb Special" show up in their feed.

Fly Rod 12-18-2015 07:56 AM
[QUOTE=spence;1088850]Next you're going to be telling me my bank knows exactly how much money in my checking account...like to the penny.QUOTE]

Spence....U must just do on line banking...when U go into a bank infront of a teller to cash a check from whom ever they look at your checking account, they C how much U have in your account in order to cover the check U R cashing....:)

spence 12-18-2015 09:06 AM
Sarcasm.

Sea Dangles 12-18-2015 10:19 AM
Good grief
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