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spence 05-25-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1101152)
"The inspector general’s review also revealed that hacking attempts forced then-Secretary of State Clinton off email at one point in 2011, though she insists the personal server she used was never breached.

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The audit said a Clinton aide had to shut down the server on Jan. 9, 2011, because he believed “someone was trying to hack us.” Later that day, he said: “We were attacked again so I shut (the server) down for a few min.”
A few minutes, must have been quite an attack.

Nebe 05-25-2016 04:42 PM

Why did she have the server at her house in the first place? Seems to me it was only to have the ability to destroy evidence if need be.
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spence 05-25-2016 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1101164)
Why did she have the server at her house in the first place? Seems to me it was only to have the ability to destroy evidence if need be.
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If your intent was to hide evidence you wouldn't use email...ever.

buckman 05-25-2016 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101165)
If your intent was to hide evidence you wouldn't use email...ever.

Or if you did you would just delete 30,000 of them . You're a piece of work Jeff .
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Nebe 05-25-2016 06:11 PM

exactly..

The Dad Fisherman 05-25-2016 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101163)
A few minutes, must have been quite an attack.

Your right, it wasn't much of an attack......considering the only defense they had was shutting down the server for a few minutes.

I bet that showed them..... :rolleyes:
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The Dad Fisherman 05-25-2016 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101165)
If your intent was to hide evidence you wouldn't use email...ever.

...and there's another check mark in the "To Stupid" column

Maybe you shouldn't be in her corner.....with your defense she's starting to look like a regular Barney Fife
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spence 05-25-2016 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1101167)
Or if you did you would just delete 30,000 of them . You're a piece of work Jeff .
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She has no legal or ethical obligation to submit personal emails to the public record.

spence 05-25-2016 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1101169)
Your right, it wasn't much of an attack......considering the only defense they had was shutting down the server for a few minutes.

I bet that showed them..... :rolleyes:
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As a propeller head you know any server will come under attack from time to time. Just people fishing...

spence 05-25-2016 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1101170)
...and there's another check mark in the "To Stupid" column

Maybe you shouldn't be in her corner.....with your defense she's starting to look like a regular Barney Fife
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Story hasn't really changed over the past year though. Shouldn't have done it, she admits this, no harm we're aware of, no malicious motive and a lot has shown to be overblown inter-agency infighting.

The Dad Fisherman 05-25-2016 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101172)
As a propeller head you know any server will come under attack from time to time. Just people fishing...

Ugh.... :wall:
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spence 05-25-2016 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1101174)
Ugh.... :wall:
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So I'm wrong?
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JohnR 05-25-2016 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1101164)
Why did she have the server at her house in the first place? Seems to me it was only to have the ability to destroy evidence if need be.
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Yep.

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101165)
If your intent was to hide evidence you wouldn't use email...ever.

If your intent was to hide evidence you wouldn't use email...ever on a server out of your control FIFY



Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1101169)
Your right, it wasn't much of an attack......considering the only defense they had was shutting down the server for a few minutes.

I bet that showed them..... :rolleyes:
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well - at least when they started it back up and fully installed the RAT


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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101172)
As a propeller head you know any server will come under attack from time to time. Just people fishing...


Yes, but us propeller heads know that a lot of times you only know you are compromised is by inspecting the traffic that leaves your perimeter - not something this server or operation was capable of doing. Us propeller heads also know that the DptState systems are far more secure than an unpatched single exchange box in a bathroom. I can think of several ways to access that system. She created a monumental security blunder.

Fishpart 05-26-2016 04:51 AM

Unfortunately people are missing the point. SHE BROKE FEDERAL LAW. Why all the confusion, everyone knows if you cant trust someone with the small stuff, you can't trust them with the big stuff.
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The Dad Fisherman 05-26-2016 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101175)
So I'm wrong?
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"Clueless" would be the more appropriate word....

...or "In Denial"....I'll let you choose

buckman 05-26-2016 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishpart (Post 1101185)
Unfortunately people are missing the point. SHE BROKE FEDERAL LAW. Why all the confusion, everyone knows if you cant trust someone with the small stuff, you can't trust them with the big stuff.
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Exactly, and at a minimum ,you will see the information that the FBI has, which in an honest administration would bring an indictment , released before the national Democratic convention .
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Nebe 05-26-2016 06:45 AM

Spence will now say that breaking federal law is acceptable because people have done it before Hillary.
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scottw 05-26-2016 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101171)
She has no legal or ethical obligation to anything

fixed it:laugha:

spence 05-26-2016 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishpart (Post 1101185)
Unfortunately people are missing the point. SHE BROKE FEDERAL LAW. Why all the confusion, everyone knows if you cant trust someone with the small stuff, you can't trust them with the big stuff.
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The report doesn't say she broke federal law, it says that the working assumption -- that copying a state.gov address on emails -- wasn't sufficient to satisfy State Department procedure to comply with the National Records Act. They wanted the emails to be printed instead.

Further the report states that both the NARA and OIG agreed "Clinton's production of 55,000 pages of emails mitigated her failure to properly preserve emails that qualified as Federal records during her tenure and to surrender such records on her departure."

So what the report says is that they would have liked them to be printed when she left, but her follow on action was good enough.

You can read the report here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/...039/?tid=a_inl

JohnR 05-26-2016 08:53 AM

The report states that she acted without permission, did not ask to have her own server, and if she did, they would have said no.

Jim in CT 05-26-2016 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1101209)
The report states that she acted without permission, did not ask to have her own server, and if she did, they would have said no.

Irrelevent details, a fabrication that is part of the vast right wing conspiracy (likely funded by the Koch brothers) to take her down.

spence 05-26-2016 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1101209)
The report states that she acted without permission, did not ask to have her own server, and if she did, they would have said no.

That doesn't necessarily make it a violation, it's a grey area they cleaned up after she left. The report also states that John Kerry is the first Sec State to have a state.gov address.

The Dad Fisherman 05-26-2016 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101216)
That doesn't necessarily make it a violation, it's a grey area they cleaned up after she left.

How about a violation of Common Sense...
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The Dad Fisherman 05-26-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1101216)
The report also states that John Kerry is the first Sec State to have a state.gov address.

Moot.....
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JohnR 05-27-2016 07:36 AM

Spence:

Significant Hillary FanBoy, Andrea Mitchell, even sounds like she is debating against you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8CeuYStd3s

detbuch 06-01-2016 07:20 AM

http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/20...tm_campaign=nl

The article ends with:

Now that a non-partisan source has said Clinton broke the rules, it will descend into, “Ok, she may have technically violated the rules but she didn’t do anything illegal!” Let’s see how long it takes before that sets in.


I think Spence had already set it in long before the article was written.

buckman 06-13-2016 05:44 AM

Maybe if the FBI wasnt overburdened with Hillary's criminal investigation things would be different in Orlando......
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spence 06-13-2016 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1102297)
Maybe if the FBI wasnt overburdened with Hillary's criminal investigation things would be different in Orlando......
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What would compel you to make such a reprehensible remark?

buckman 06-13-2016 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1102298)
What would compel you to make such a reprehensible remark?

Isn't it infuriating when someone makes an illogical connection ?
I think I'm becoming liberal
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The Dad Fisherman 06-13-2016 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1102300)
I think I'm becoming liberal
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Well, at least you'll never be accused of being a racist :hihi:
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spence 06-13-2016 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by buckman (Post 1102300)
Isn't it infuriating when someone makes an illogical connection ?
I think I'm becoming liberal
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Deplorable.
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Jim in CT 06-13-2016 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1102304)
Well, at least you'll never be accused of being a racist :hihi:
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Nor will you ever be asked to accept responsibility for anything you do...

Slipknot 07-05-2016 10:44 AM

FBI drops the ball IMO

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/fbi-d...ns-emails.html

as her path is fixed by corruption plain as day

spence 07-05-2016 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1103677)
FBI drops the ball IMO

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/05/fbi-d...ns-emails.html

as her path is fixed by corruption plain as day

How can you suggest charges when there isn't a case you can prosecute?

Most important is it looks like there was no evidence of mal intent or attempts to cover anything up.

Slipknot 07-05-2016 10:50 AM

inappropriate and negligent
if it were anyone else, they would be fired, fined and in jail

it's up to prosecutors now

spence 07-05-2016 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1103679)
it's up to prosecutors now

Huh? Legally speaking this story is dead.

JohnR 07-05-2016 11:02 AM

I listened to the press conference, I will post the transcript later and highlight key items. Had ANYONE else done that than the political uber elite they would have been prosecuted.

There will be significant protesting form the Intelligence Community.

The FBI has said either :

Nobody will be prosecuted for mishandling intelligence information if you say it was not intentional

or

The rules still apply to the peasants.

Both have significant, negative impacts on information storage.

Any thoughts on a 3rd possibility - those of you with a Security clearance (that can comment?)

buckman 07-05-2016 11:10 AM

And we are left to believe that this is just another situation of blaring incompetence and carelessness where nobody will be held accountable. Status quo for this administration
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Jim in CT 07-05-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1103680)
Huh? Legally speaking this story is dead.

Yep. It's worth noting that the FBI doesn't have a history of being overly political. I think it was worth doing the investigation, you have to investigate to determine whether or not any laws were broken.

JohnR 07-05-2016 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1103685)
Yep. It's worth noting that the FBI doesn't have a history of being overly political. I think it was worth doing the investigation, you have to investigate to determine whether or not any laws were broken.


Laws were broken, they just apply to the little people.


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