You made the claim that the id requirement us racist. Your 'proof' is:

(1) some judge said so, apparently without clarifying how it targets blacks
(2) the GOP endorsed the notion, and they are all racists, so it must be racist

Paul, do you have any evidence that he process is different (harder) for blacks? Or are you saying that there skin color means they are less able to get the id?

Let me clarify, I'm asking YOU, not PBS or the NY Times, how requiring an ID to vote is going to dis-proportionately affect Blacks over Whites

I know I'm just a blind-ass "Cracker"....so now's YOUR chance to enlighten me.

Here is the honest, thoughtful response...since you will never get it from a liberal on this issue.

The id requirement, obviously, is no more burdensome for one race than another. So it's not, in and of itself, even a teeny bit racist.

However, the more hoops you have to jump through to vote, the less likely that disenfranchised citizens will be, to vote.

A higher % of blacks are disenfranchised than whites.

Therefore, voter id requirements will likely have the effect of decreasing black votes more than they decrease white votes. I don't doubt that's the effect. But the underlying cause has absolutely nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture and behavior. It's a free choice for blacks to make.

Are some GOP legislators counting on that, and that's why they support id laws, and hide their true intent by saying they are trying to eliminate voter fraud? I am sure that thought crossed the minds of some of the Republicans who support these laws. But the fact is, and it's probably irrefutable (since none of you bothered to refute it) that it's not racist.

There was a famous case a few years ago of firefighters in New Haven taking a test for promotion. It was a test certified to be racially neutral, whatever the hell that means. A bunch of white guys got the highest scores, and earned the promotion. The city then nullified the test, saying that because not enough blacks got high scores, it therefore had to be racist. It went to the Supreme Court, who ruled that there was no racism, that the white guys won fair and square. Just because all the top scorers were white, doesn't mean it's racist.

Is the NBA racist? Or the US Track and Field team, I didn't see a lot of white guys in the 100 meter sprint in the Olymoics. Is that, therefore, racist?

Go back and look at prior threads - this issue was covered multiple times.

I'm too lazy .
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No, it has been asked multiple times. It has been answered, zero times. Because the burden of getting the id, obviously, is not a function of race.

I used facts in my previous responses to you. And they were facts that just lay around the surface of our society. It is not necessary to store them in a tool bag, nor is there a tool bag big enough to contain them.

What feelings did I express to which you refer?

And Progressivism, socialism, totalitarianism are not hidden enemies. And I am not the only one who can see them.

How about this. If I pull up a thread where we discussed this exact same issue from now on every time you bring up a topic that has been discussed before and someone points it out, you don't particpate in the rest of that thread?

Funny you mention Colin Powell - he just said the whole Birther movement was racist.

Just because he said it doesn't make it so....

Was it Idiotic? Yes. Was it Misguided? Yes. Was it one Party trying to defame the other party's candidate? Yes

Was it Racist? Absolutely not....

that term has gotten sooooo over-used it has completely lost its validity in most arguments.

Please tell me how asking someone to produce their birth certificate, or claiming they're not a US citizen, meets the definition of racism.

rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun
noun: racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Have I mentioned Racism in my posts other than to mention what Colin Powell thinks of the birther movement (and I guess the Republican Presidential candidate Donald Trump).

However, since you brought it up. - It's crazy to think the Birther movement didn't have any racism involved w/it.

But back to the orginal point - in that absense of any real voter fraud do you agree that the NC voter ID law (and the other aspects like closing polling places, shorting voting times, etc.) was meant to prevent Blacks from voting?

This is surreal. We keep asking why the id process is more burdensome for blacks, and you will not answer. You dodge. You re-direct. You insult. But you cannot answer the question directly.

Colin Powell? Now that his emails were hacked, we really know what he thinks of Hilary (ambitious, full of hubris) and her pervert husband (still di*king bimbos in his home!!!).

Of course, some racists were birthers. That doesn't mean questioning his birth, was necessarily racist. Some of them weren't racist, just paranoid or stupid or uninformed.

Anyway, one final time...please tell us why it's harder for blacks to get this id, than whites.

Well, Explain it to me?

"Have I mentioned Racism in my posts "

Are you feeling OK? Seriously, are you OK? Because you have said a couple of times lately, that "Republicans have no use for minorities. "

"It's crazy to think the Birther movement didn't have any racism involved w/it"

Ah, but you didn't say there was "some" racism. You said the movement itself was racist. Two very different things. I don't think liberals even notice anymore, when they accuse conservatives of racism. It's like breathing to them (and you) now. You don't even notice when you are doing it anymore.

(1) Colin Powell said so.
(2) it makes conservatives look hateful

That, to liberals, more than suffices as evidence of racism.

Use the brain Luke!
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the only good thing about Hilary getting elected is that I won't be called a racist because I'm white.

I'll get to be called Sexist and a Misogynist because I'm male :hihi:

but regardless, all the ills in this country are going to be my fault :wall:

Use Common Sense, Jar Jar

when you don't in some form or fashion, it's a shocker :hihi:

The many, many racist signs which were so prevelant early on.

Re structuring voting precincts, closing polling areas in urban areas could be used as an example.
Personally I don't think that blacks are suppressed from voting
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See above and earlier post.

What about the point that the reason the laws were passed is to prevent minorities from voting.

Can you pls. point out where I accused conservatives of racism?

were any of those signs being held by elected officials?

there are kooks and a-holes in all walks of life.....just because some racist nut cases show up in support of something doesn't make that initial thing racist.

I asked how does asking somebody for a birth certificate or proof of citizenship meet the definition of racism.

was it racist for people to ask for Ted Cruz's proof?

and John McCain

if you can find one that is not controlled by democrats :jester:

"This is sureal - As I said (and I'll repeat again) we have already discussed this exact same issue previously. "

OK. Let's pretend that I am as dumb as you think I am, and that I can't recall the previous discussion. Because my recollection, is that previous discussion was a lot like this one - many requests for clarification on why the id burden is higher for blacks, with zero actual reasons provided by you and Spence. Please provide actual examples of why blacks, by virtue of their skin color, have a harder time getting that id.

"he (Powell)thinks Trump is a clown. "

here's the thing. I agree with Powell that Trump is a clown. Do you agree with Powell, that Hilary is prone to hubris, and that her husband is a pervert who could spit into a petri dish and start a whole new civilization?

""So you think my saying that is saying they are racist?"

Umm, yes. If you say Republicans have no use for minorities, that is saying they are racist. You are saying that the GOP has derogatory opinions of people based on skin color. Last time I checked, that's the textbook definition of racism.

"I never mentioned racism 1 way or the other. I repeated what the person you hold up to show the Repubs. appeal to minorities said about the birher movement"

OK, so if you use Colin Powell's accusations of racism, to suggest that racism exists, that's not you mentioning racism.

Cue the Twilight Zone music...

Why don't you ask someone who claimed it meet the defintion of racism?

Do you have a concussion?

You said that the GOP has no use for minorities.

Here are some other things you said on this thread, these are exact quotes...

"you can't tell me that those Repub. Legisl. put those restrictions in for any other reason than to keep minorities from being able to vote"

"Funny you mention Colin Powell - he just said the whole Birther movement was racist. "

"The many, many racist signs which were so prevelant early on. "

90% of your posts accuse conservatives of racism. The other 10% of your posts, consist of you stubbornly saying that you never accused anyone of racism.

George Bush - saved a million lives in Africa, promoted many blacks to very high profile positions (but he was called a racist by your side)

John McCain - adopted an orphaned girl from Bangladesh (the New York Times published a front page story, totally false, that he fathered the girl with a mistress). Read that again. Adopting an orphan from Bangladesh, is one of the finest expressions of love a human being can contemplate. And instead of giving him credit for that, it was used as a club against him.

Mitt Romney - has a black grandson. For that, the family was ridiculed by a black host at MSNBC who has her own program and is paid a king's ransom, that's how highly she is thought of.

If these GOP leaders are racists, they really stink at being racist. They need to take some lessons on how to really be racist.

I made you an offer earlier - if I show you a link where we discussed the EXACT SAME THING, you agree that anytime you bring up the EXACT SAME THING that has been discussed previously and someone provides a link, you refrain from posting in that thread.

For Gods sake man, you said those id laws were put in, specifically to suppress black voter turnout.

So now you are claiming, that suppressing black votes, is not racist?

No.

I'm not interested in re-examining another link, where we kept asking the question, and you kept dodging.

So just tell us why voter id laws are more burdensome for blacks than they are for whites.

I did...

And I'm not interesting in discussing the same thing over and over and over with you.

Dog Whistles. If one makes everything a dog whistle and condition people to yelp, you can ignore parsing at a deeper level.

Dog Whistle: Asking for birth certificate is racist
Dog Whistle: Strong Border security is racist
Dog Whistle: Illegal immigration is racist
Dog Whistle: Requiring people proving eligibility to vote is racist.

We have some of the most lax border security, citizenship, and voting laws in the world, yet they are still racist.


:hihi:
I would think if you apply the same rules for everyone that would not be racist. Punish the ones that violate that. As for Gerrymandering - that is a game the Dems play better than Rs. I guess that is why in a blue state we only hear it happening in Red states

In which, a "discussion" is when you accuse everyone who disagrees with you of racism, and then refuse to explain why they are racists.

We get it, Paul, we get it.

Tell the million Africans who are alive today thanks to George Bush, that he has no use for them. Tell John McCain's daughter that he has no use for her. Tell Mitt Romney's grandson that his grandpa has no use for him.

You have bad reading comprehension.

You said "I asked how does asking somebody for a birth certificate or proof of citizenship meet the definition of racism."

and I said "Why don't you ask someone who claimed it meet the defintion of racism?"

and you quoted me as saying "However, since you brought it up. - It's crazy to think the Birther movement didn't have any racism involved w/it."

Aren't they 2 different things? I never said that asking for a birth certificate or a proof of citizenship met the definition of racism. I'm sure when President Obama first ran for Senate or was put on the foreign relations committeed he was asked for his birth certificate.

I must of missed that post.

Republicans have no use for minorities.

Did you not say that? Or is that somehow different, from saying they are racist?

Do the Dems. have any use of Evangelicals?

Keep blowing that racism whistle.

Paul, if you say that the GOP has no use for minorities, how is that different from calling them racist?