It sad that the "right" has lost so "much" of its "morals" that people now make "excuses" for people's lies.

That sentence is loaded with fake language.

Anthony Weiner told you to say that, didn't he?
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think of it as a football game...the left team has succeeded in getting away with favorable calls throughout the first half...chop blocks, mugging receivers, late hits on the quarterback all seemingly go unnoticed by the officials...so in the second half right team decides to play the style of play that the left team has established with the help of those who are supposed to be officiating, in fact, some of those officiating are tired of the less than admirable tactics from the left team and realize that they are incorrigible so they resist the urge to reach for their flags ....the coaches and players on the left team sideline scream with incredulity with each infraction not understanding why penalties are not being called.. though before halftime they were filled with glee each time they benefited from a non-call .....it's not that the right team has lost morals or is simply making excuses...it's that they've likely resolved to playing by the established rules in order to stand a chance at the end....the cognitive dissonance that you and many on the left are experiencing is not due to the fact that the right is not outraged(there is outrage if you choose to look but tempered probably thanks to years of being ignored and impugned...desensitized perhaps....or call it more "tolerant" you could say :scream: maybe ambivalence).... you are frustrated that you can't hold the two sides to different standards in order to maintain an advantage....this can be quite maddening apparently:huh:

"just win baby" :humpty:

Good post. We nominated goody-two-shoes in 08 and 12, it didn't work. The media said John McCain fathered his adopted daughter in an affair, and they said Romney was a heartless tycoon. So there is no benefit to nominating a man of integrity, except for the better treatment you get on Foxnews.

Sometimes you need someone who will elbow back. Enter Mr Trump.

It's also worth noting that Trump's ethical lapses (there are many) are not applicable to everyone else in the party. All things considered, I find the air quite tolerable on our side.

I'm a little confused what does Anthony weiner have to do with my comment?
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That word Morals....
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No one says he had morals but you didn't see people here talking about "false outrage" or it's not a big deal like you do with Trump's constant lying. In fact when the Anthony Weiner news came to light everybody said how sleazy it was nobody tried defending him. that's the difference
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Of course his ethical lapses are not applicable to anyone else. Most people recognize that. However you find something you don't like about a Democrat and you apply that to everybody. By the way do you know the manufacturer of Confederate flags? I'd like to purchase some stock in the company since they have been very prevalent since Donald Trump got elected president. Glad you like the air up there.
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gets stranger by the post :hs:

Yesterday you accused the entire "right" of losing so "much" of its "morals" because some have defended Trump (which, I guess, you think is immoral). Yet you think, I guess, that it is wrong to apply to all Democrats something that is not nice about one Democrat.

And now you're implying, I guess, that there is some not nice thing about Trump which is connected to, or inspires a love for, the Confederacy. And that, a mirror image of applying to everybody what is about one person, you now apply to one person (Trump) something pertaining to a whole segment of people.

Aside from your hypocrisy, would you be speaking code, or blowing a dog whistle, implying, or actually saying, that Trump is a racist? Or that he actually does not love America nor does not want to make it great, but actually hankers to the greatness of the Confederate States? Or something like that?

That's the kind of fake news that the Democrats constantly propagate. And have been doing for many years. That's why their outrage over trump seems fake to me. Is he different now than all the years before he ran for President? How come there wasn't this constant barrage of "news" about what a racist, sexist, homophobic, hateful person he was all those years? How come he was actually a celebrity? Befriended by the "left" even more than by the "right"?

That's why it's about politics--his audacity to run against the left and their anointed next-in-line. That's why the Democrat rage over certain fake news is fake rage to me. They've disseminated so much fake news over the decades that it seems to flow effortlessly out of their every orifice.

Scottw's football analogy explains a lot of what passes over you. Probably, Democrat fake tactics have been so pervasive and unchecked by the very media which approved and fed into it with its own fakery that it has been accepted as a norm, was normalized to the point where it wasn't noticed as anything peculiar. Certainly, it was never alluded to as fake news. Even though much of it was.

Put your critical thinking cap on.

And tell us again how his lies are not a big deal.
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which one exactly?

Any of them. Do only some lies concern you?
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Care to show me where I claimed that.....

All I did was point out somebody on the "Left" who pretty much sums up "Lack of Morals"
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I should have said like you "see here", not that you do and I apologize for that. I have not seen you defend his lying. When I use my phone and the voice activation some things are written incorrectly.

I agree weiner has a lack of morals and no one here or elsewhere said it's not a big deal like we're seeing with Trumps lying.'s
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"Put your critical thinking cap on."

Harry Reid didn't regret or apologize about saying that Romney didn't pay taxes for 10 years. When he was asked about his lie, his reply was "Romney didn't win, did he?"

So put your critical thinking cap on. C'mon now. Think. Why do politicians lie? Would Hillary's lies have been a big deal to you if she had won?

Maybe you don't think her lies were all that bad. I don't think that Trump's lies are all that bad. Most of them were not actually lies. Mostly exaggerations, sarcasms, mistakes, or outright distortions of what he actually said . . . Hillary didn't win, did she?

What goes around, comes around. Always been that way.

It's very difficult to be totally honest to the American people about political reality. Probably because "political reality" has become an oxymoron.

To begin with, there must be a defined, if not an absolute, framework of government with a defined process of governing in order for there to be a semblance of a coherent political reality. The abandonment of the political framework on which this country was founded was begun long ago and has been gradually eroded ever since.

And before that framework, there must be a reason to create it and its process for governing. There must be an idea, a principle that motivates the creation of the framework. The principles of our founding have also been gradually distorted and lied about. We are at a point where most of our people don't even know what they or the framework are. There are many who believe they should be forgotten, discarded. There are many who feel we should restore them.

What is the political reality in that mix of opposing views?

If we don't have a common definition of what it means to make the government work well, what must politicians say to us in order to get elected? Must they tell us what they think most want to hear? And how do that "most" arrive at thinking what they want to hear?

Being totally honest will turn off half or more of our morally, ideologically, and politically divided people. Trump has long been in the business of understanding and persuading people. He learned how to schmooz, fib, tell white lies, and some biggies, better than Hillary. Also better than Romney or McCain.

Hillary didn't win, did she? What else do you need to know?

That's how its been done for a long, long time. As smart as Romney is, he didn't understand something as simple as that. As dumb as Harry Reid usually appears to be, he did understand that. Hillary understood it, but didn't have the personal goods, the charisma, the ability to connect with enough diverse people, to pull it off.

Is that a good thing? You and I would probably agree that it's not so good. That it should be better. That it should be much, much more honest. My solution is to connect the vast majority of us under common principles. The most basic principles which can connect diverse and even opposing beliefs. And to devise a framework of government to support that connection. And to teach and instill in all our people a jealous loyalty to those principles and the framework that supports them.

Oh . . . wait . . . we already did that.

Why I didn't consider Trump's so-called lies to be a big deal is because what's left of our original framework and principles, which would be a real glue to unite us rather than the fake mess we have now, could possibly be led to gradual restoration by appointing judges who would actually support, defend, and abide by that constitutional framework.

Then, if we can restore that original connection that the people of this country had, whatever lies the politicians think they must tell us in order to win will easily be exposed as political unreality if they contradict those principles and that framework which connect us.

Otherwise, we can continue to flounder in the unreal political morass of opposing ideologies which persuade us with lies, slander, and sleaze. And we can continue to bitch about who are the biggest liars.

Does that help answer your question?

be specific......you seem to label everything he says as a lie.....actions concern me....statements, not so much...unless it's your guy..then I'm deeply concerned.....we're told these politicians sometimes often make erroneous statements when they are tired from doing politician stuff...and Trump has been very, very busy you know....

Trump being Trump:biglaugh:

can't even imagine what the State of the Union will be like:grins:

I agree they make erroneous statements (like Obama stating he visited 57 states - most people let mis-statments like that go and if they don't there are petty people. I do remember it being brought up here a few times though).

3 min. doing a search came up with the following:

Says that at a campaign rally President Barack Obama "spent so much time screaming at a protester, and frankly it was a disgrace."

"Thousands of Americans have been killed by illegal immigrants."

Says Barack Obama "is the first president in modern history not to have a single year of 3 percent growth

"Nearly half of African-American children under the age of 6 are living in abject poverty."

"Wikileaks also shows how John Podesta rigged the polls by oversampling Democrats, a voter suppression technique."

"14 percent of noncitizens are registered to vote

"Ford is moving all of their small-car production to Mexico."

The stories from women saying he groped or forced himself on them "largely have been debunked."

those are lies??

what you fail to grasp is those things this are both debatable and meaningless...as is Obama and the 57 States he visited...

what has changed much to your disliking is that one side has apparently realized that holding their guy to a much higher standard is a big disadvantage....the left sounds like the woman who spends years trying to change her husband, ideally to be more like her...and when she succeeds she hates it and wants a divorce...it appears as though many on the right have simply relented to hold, Trump, at least and who knows for how long...to the standards that the dems have set...must be quite maddening

you really like Politifact....here is an actual "lie" that actually affected Americans in a profound way....nothing on your list reaches this level of dishonesty and deception

so much so that it gained "lie of the year" honors

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...-plan-keep-it/

VDH did a fabulous job recently analyzing the things that Obama touted in his last State of the Union as his "successes".....are these
"lies"...this is consequential policy stuff unlike debunked groping stories

Assessing the Obama Legacy—Against His Own Mileposts
The president’s stated priorities have not turned out well.
By Victor Davis Hanson — December 8, 2016

In his 2016 State of the Union address, President Obama summarized his achievements. That same night, the White House issued a press release touting Obama’s accomplishments.

Now that he will be leaving, how well did these initiatives listed in the press release actually work out?

“Securing the historic Paris climate agreement.”

The accord was never submitted to Congress as a treaty. It will be ignored by President-elect Trump.

“Achieving the Iran nuclear deal.”

That “deal” was another effort to circumvent the treaty-ratifying authority of Congress. It has green-lighted Iranian aggression, and it probably ensured nuclear proliferation. Iran’s violations will cause the new Trump administration to either scrap the accord or send it to Congress for certain rejection.

“Securing the Trans-Pacific Partnership.”

Even Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton came out against this failed initiative. It has little support in Congress or among the public. Opposition to the TTP helped fuel the Trump victory.

“Reopening Cuba.”

The recent Miami celebration of the death of Fidel Castro, and Trump’s victory in Florida, are testimonies to the one-sided deal’s unpopularity. The United States got little in return for the Castro brothers’ propaganda coup.

“Destroying ISIL” and “dismantling al Qaeda.”

We are at last making some progress against some of these “jayvee” teams, as Obama once described the Islamic State. Neither group has been dismantled or destroyed. Despite the death of Osama bin Laden, the widespread reach of radical Islam into Europe and the United States remains largely unchecked.

“Ending combat missions in Afghanistan and Iraq.”

The Afghan war rages on. The precipitous withdrawal of all U.S. peacekeepers in 2011 from a quiet Iraq helped sow chaos in the rest of the Middle East. We are now sending more troops back into Iraq.

“Closing Guantanamo Bay.”

This was an eight-year broken promise. The detention center still houses dangerous terrorists.

“Rebalancing to the Asia-Pacific region.”

The anemic “Asia Pivot” failed. The Philippines is now openly pro-Russian and pro-Chinese. Traditional allies such Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea are terrified that the U.S is no longer a reliable guarantor of their autonomy.

“Supporting Central American development.”

The once-achievable promise of a free-market, democratic Latin America is moribund. Dictatorships in Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua remain impoverished bullies. All have been appeased by the U.S.

“Strengthening cybersecurity.”

Democrats claimed Russian interference in the recent election. If true, it is proof that there is no such thing as “cybersecurity.” The WikiLeaks releases, the hacked Clinton e-mails and the Edward Snowden disclosures confirm that the Obama administration was the least cybersecure presidency in history.

“Growing the Open Government Partnership.”

The NSA scandal, the hounding of Associated Press journalists, some of the WikiLeaks troves, and the corruption at the IRS all reveal that the Obama administration was one of the least transparent presidencies in memory.

“Honoring our nation’s veterans.”

Obama’s Department of Veteran Affairs was mired in scandal, and some of its nightmarish VA hospitals were awash in disease and unnecessary deaths. Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric Shinseki was forced to resign amid controversy. Former Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano apologized for issuing an offensive report falsely concluding that returning war vets were liable to join right-wing terrorist groups.

“Making sure our politics reflect America’s best.”

The 2016 presidential campaign was among the nastiest on record. WikiLeaks revealed unprecedented collusion between journalists and the Clinton campaign. Earlier, Obama had been the first president in U.S. history to refuse public campaign money. He was also the largest fundraiser of private cash and the greatest collector of Wall Street money in the history of presidential campaigns.

“Protecting voting rights.”

Riots followed the recent presidential election. Democrats, without merit, joined failed Green Party candidate Jill Stein’s recount in key swing states they lost. Progressives are berating the constitutionally guaranteed Electoral College. State electors are being subject to intimidation campaigns.

“Strengthening policing.”

Lethal attacks on police are soaring.

“Promoting immigrant and refugee integration and citizenship awareness.”

The southern U.S. border is largely unenforced. Immigration law is deliberately ignored. The president’s refugee policy was unpopular and proved a disaster, as illustrated by the Boston Marathon bombings, the San Bernardino attack, the Orlando nightclub shooting, and the recent Ohio State University terrorist violence.

Note what Obama’s staff omitted: his doubling of the U.S. debt in eight years, the unworkable and soon-to-be-repealed Affordable Care Act, seven years of anemic economic growth, record labor nonparticipation, failed policy resets abroad, and a Middle East in ruins.

Why, then, has the president’s previously sinking popularity suddenly rebounded in 2016?

Obama disappeared from our collective television screens, replaced by unpopular candidates Clinton and Trump, who slung mud at each other and stole the limelight.

As a result, Obama discovered that the abstract idea of a lame-duck Obama was more popular than the cold reality of eight-year President Obama.

He wisely adjusted by rarely being heard from or seen for much of 2016.

So Obama now departs amid the ruin of the Democratic party into a lucrative post-presidency: detached and without a legacy.

Hillary didn't win, did she?

Yes those in fact are all lies.

So again, pls. point out where I said "everything" Trump says is a lie.

I wrote "you seem to label everything he says as a lie"

can you cite an instance where you declared Trump truthful?:rolleyes:...oh...wait...when he said he wanted to date his daughter....that was probably truthful...

I've only discussed a fraction of his statements. In fact, a fraction of his lies.

So what? What's the big deal about what you've discussed? What's so important about it?

THE WAY ELECTIONS HAVE BEEN WON HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED OVER A LONG PERIOD OF OUR HISTORY.

Hillary didn't win, did she?

:deadhorse:

Trump should twitter out that he will be the most honest president in our history....bigley....that would send the moonbats right over the moon....or at least into aroma therapy

Still don't see where I stated "everything" he said was a lie - try again.

Your "bar" is set awfully low.

this is correct

Once the primaries ended, it was assured that a morally bankrupt, serial liar was going to be POTUS.

The GOP nominated Ward Cleaver in 2012, it didn't stop your side from claiming that he was a heartless tycoon who had no empathy for dying women, or for kids, or puppies...

I don't like his morals any more than you do. Character wasn't on the ballot in 2016.

lie

noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

verb (used without object), lied, lying.
5.
to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
Synonyms

not to be confused with

Definition of misspeak
misspokeplay \-ˈspōk\misspokenplay \-ˈspō-kən\misspeaking
transitive verb
1
: to speak (as a word) incorrectly
2
: to express (oneself) imperfectly or incorrectly <claims now that he misspoke himself>

Trump issue is not that he Misspeak's on the contrary his willingness to double down on his statements when his figures and claimed facts are show to be false... this behavior makes him a liar..

His issue was to get elected. He accomplished that. Now, his issue is to make America great again. Actually, he said "We" will make America great again. But first he'd better consult with you on the definition of great. Then, after clearing that up, he can get on with it.

no one said he "Misspeak's"(well, you just did)....in fact it's pretty widely acknowledged that he's loose with the truth and facts to the point where it can be pretty amusing when he gets on a roll, the degree to which it's willful and sinister is debatable.....in most cases I suspect what you perceive as is "lie" is rather simply, and nothing more, the fact that he has a differing view and perspective than you may hold on a given subjects, what you perceive as a "lie" by Trump is actually your inability to view the world through the prism through which he looking...probably the result of your lack of tolerance of differing viewpoints and a closed-minded inability to grasp the world outside your bubble.........so it's not really Trump....it's you...:hihi:

Originally Posted by detbuch

"I don't think that Trump's lies are all that bad. Most of them were not actually lies. Mostly exaggerations, sarcasms, mistakes, or outright distortions of what he actually said . . ."

Krauthammer really nails it...

The most amusing part of the Trump transition has been watching its effortless confounding of the media, often in fewer than 140 characters.

An epidemic of constitutional chin-tugging and civil-libertarian hair-pulling immediately breaks out. By the time the media have exhausted their outrage over the looming abolition of free speech, judicial supremacy, and affordable kale, Trump has moved on.

Trump so thoroughly owns the political stage today that the word Clinton seems positively quaint and Barack Obama, who happens to be president of the United States, is totally irrelevant.

Trump will continue to tweet and the media will continue to take the bait. Highly entertaining but it is a sideshow.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-interventions

the verbal gymnastics are amazing to support his lies (based on the definition of a lie ) not what I FEEL is a Lie Scott your argument is and excuse to accept what he say's as OK .. He is the POTUS elect .. no longer a TV host and whats scary is the wiliness of people like you and others to not see this as a problem going forward... And the right had the nerve to complain about the lefts Blind faith in Obama...

what is his Idea of Great ?? seeing he hasn't outlined any Markers to measure His Idea of Great .. maybe you all can explain it .. for us


unusually or comparatively large in size or dimensions:
A great fire destroyed nearly half the city.
2.
large in number; numerous:
Great hordes of tourists descend on Europe each summer.
3.
unusual or considerable in degree, power, intensity, etc.:
great pain.
4.
wonderful; first-rate; very good:
We had a great time. That's great!
5.
being such in an extreme or notable degree:
great friends; a great talker.
6.
notable; remarkable; exceptionally outstanding:
a great occasion.
7.
important; highly significant or consequential:
the great issues in American history.

I'm still trying to figure out Bigley...what was Obama's Idea of "Hope and Change" and "Fundamental Transformation"? and which one of Trumps "lies" (based on your definition of a lie )have I supported?...

perhaps he'll "grow" into the position as we were told Obama would do in time :kewl:

Trump uses language similarly to Biden, whom the left adores. If Biden runs in 2020 against Trump, it should be a verbal Barnum and Bailey.

But I think Trump is even better than Biden at it--as PaulS said, he takes it to another level.

if Biden was smart enough to figure out how to Tweet, he be right up there...

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