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"so if it's truly a line like he implied"



war monger ...:)

I hope we don't go to war.

Any line in the sand, regardless by whom is stupid.

yeah...just ask Assad


when exactly did Trump say this?....Wayne asked and you implied...Obama actually had a "line'...then not so much...

Obama said in 2012 that his red line with the Assad regime would be the use of chemical weapons. Later that year, Assad's forces killed nearly 1,500 people in a chemical-weapons attack.

But then Obama got cold feet ...

you guys shouldn't put words in Trump's mouth...he has enough trouble without you divining secret messages from his ramblings

how am I a hypocrite?....

Obama told Syria ..."don't screw with us"....and then crawled away from his bluster

Trump told N Korea..."don't screw with us".....if N Korea kills a bunch of innocents as Assad did, and Trump crawls away I will be as critical of Trump as I was of Obama


just wondering if the left and MSM will criticize him for not following through or celebrate his restraint if N Korea creates a body count...or criticize him either way(most likely scenario)

Don't have to put words in anyone's mouth.

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States. They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen... he has been very threatening beyond a normal state. They will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before," he said.

So that actually is a "line".

That same day NK threatened again, thus crossing it.

I hope Pres. Trump doesn't follow through with "fire and fury the likes the world has never seen before" (if you didn't know who made that comment you would think it came from NK).

physical threats or verbal threats?...oh that's right...it's "words" that upset the left more.....even promoting violence and issuing beatings over language they find offensive...soooo..maybe they should applaud Trump for being so aggressive toward the N Korean violent sounding "hate speech" ( are they protected under the first amendment)?

if you imply from what you decide someone else has implied you are essentially putting words in their mouth

What did the past Presidents believe was the way to deal with NK's program to make nukes? You know . . . when it actually did not have them?

What did all the military, political, media, and academic "experts" believe was a way to deal with the matter?

What did any President's with their brilliant advisors do to stop NK?

So now, NK has what no previous administration was able to prevent, even with all their wisdom and expertise. What do all the brilliant critics who were not able to devise a way to stop what they claimed to know how to stop but never did, what do all the brilliant critics have to contribute other than criticize Trump for saying naughty words?

Obama yawned....tiny country can't threaten us...pfffft...

Bush included them in the "axis of evil"

I think Albright went there and gave the Norks a tongue bath...which is an awful visual....

Oh . . . that's right . . . If you tell someone who constantly threatens to kill you that you will kill him if he tries, then he will really kill you. That is, if you tell him that with mean threatening words. Probably, if you told him nicely that you would kill him if he tried to kill you, if you told him nicely, not in any threatening way, then he would not actually kill you, but would just keep on saying he would. The best way, obviously, is to keep being nice to him so that he will not actually try to kill you.

It's all so obvious.

You're trying to make a destinction bt Obama saying the word "line" and Trump not using the actual word as if there is a difference. You're smarter than that.

No one is putting words in his mouth, those are his actual words. He said NK better not make any more threats - (which they did a few hours later) bc they would be be met with fury and fire. (actually the speach writers are putting words in his mouth- and when he strays from those speaches is when he gets in trouble).

well...there is ....Obama was very specific as to what constituted crossing his stated "line"...it was crossed and he turtled...and now a bazillion people are either dead or displaced ....I think Spence told us Obama played that one brilliantly too

Trump was less clear regarding a line or what constituted crossing the line that you infer from his rhetoric...I guess you can also infer it would require physical aggression...but who knows?...Trump is pretty crazy

and as we know...it probably depends on what the meaning of the work "line"..is...

No difference bc the word wasn't mentioned. Just like a ban is still a ban even if the word isn't in the order.

As I said earlier - any line is stupid.

now you are being ridiculous

Nobody said it was heroic . Actually one of our boys will be stationed in Guam soon so it weighs heavy on my mind when I hear that fat piece of #^&#^&#^&#^& make threats about firing a missile at Guam .
I'm actually comforted by Trumps words , and with Japan saying it will shoot down any missile that North Korea fires at Guam I believe the threat has been neutralized unless Kim's motive is to go down as a martyr .
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Kim's motivation is to unify the Korean peninsula. If he has long-range Nukes, I think it functions as a deterrent to keep others out of the engagement when he finally decides to cross the DMZ and try and invade the south.

EXACTLY!

A pretty detailed take on the situation can be found here:
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...-earth/528717/

If that is his only motivation, and it may be, but then why all the threats to destroy America ? It would be counterproductive to what he is hoping to accomplish.

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Saber rattling.
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the language used by both and the support for such language from supporters ..to achieve their goals

.. will the real Dear leader please stand up...


and in a parallel universe the adults are walking back Trumps rhetoric... and doing what the last several administration have done look for a Diplomatic solution .. the Military has never been off the table for any of them


Mr Mattis, speaking in California late on Thursday, said it was his job as defence secretary to be ready for conflict.
But he said the diplomatic effort, under Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and UN Ambassador Nikki Haley, "has diplomatic traction, it is gaining diplomatic results".

And Trump is simple stating the obvious .
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this strategy has worked ok for Iran. Maybe he believes the world wont respect him as a nuclear power unless he makes threats and acts tough. the old fear = respect idea

I was searching on line for any criticism of Putin by Pres. Trump. Tough to find anything of substance.

Yes, but whatever happened to 'walk softly and carry a big stick'? Trump seems to be 'walk loudly and my staff will walk back my comments...'

Nothing is going to happen.... North Korea is now a nuclear power. As long as NK doesn't attack US or Allies, we will not do anything.

China just came out today to help cement this fact, by stating if North korea starts anything, China will remain neutral. if SK and US try to strike first China pledged to stop us.

Kim Jung Un just got invited to sit at the adults table for Thanksgiving. no more little kids table.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08...rea-first.html

There has been little, sadly. But Squirrel!

Snark: Are they willing to trade Beijing and Shanghai for Pyongyang and Wosan?


Yet another lousy wrinkle in a lousy circumstance in a lousy situation with lousy options. I am truly shocked and surprised that the great Obama could not resolve this before, but then Rice and Rhodes would not be able to twitterrant on how well they left everything for the next admin.

Give the Atlantic article I posted a read John; the biggest complexity is NK's non-nuke arms and short range nuke potential... If we strike them they will get a lot of fire away into SK and maybe Japan. The Kim's are demagogues of the worst kind, but I don't think he is a martyr.

Read the article yesterday, as well as several others . Ohhh, and I appreciate the Bush or Clinton as well. But you rarely hear the media mention the full context of this. It is all Trump's fault.

Not defending Trump

I figured you had, you are always well versed on this stuff. No, not all trumps fault, this is build up since post-Korean war, but it could culminate with his bluster and bull#^&#^&#^&#^&. I much prefer Mattis and Kelley working on this while DJT is playing golf and tweeting about McConnell or Hillary.

I do too. BTW - I blame all of them but the real development and increase in severity has occurred on O's watch. Poor engagement by Bush was eclipsed by "Strategic Patience" and the options have reduced.

From a casualty point of view, 200k-500k dead 5 years ago, versus , 500k-2mil dead now to 5-20 million dead in ten years.

I really hope there is a diplo solution but I do not think that is possible.

Now that Guam is in the News maybe we can get them the ability to vote since they are now at the tip of the spear :btu:



Citizens of Guam may not vote in general elections for President.

They should just feel lucky their island didn't tip over
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ha..ha...ha...was that Maxine Waters?... or was she the one that wanted them to move the camera so she could see where the astronauts planted the flag on Jupiter


I think his inference was that Hillary would have won Guam(according to a straw poll or something) and that probably would have swung things in her favor?

Isolation.
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diplomatic secret weapon

Scott should I think your inference is no they shouldn't vote there not Real Americans

If the POTUS and past POTUS can use Guam as a pawn in world politics by seeing an attack on it as an attack on America and Guamanians can server in our military fight in Americas Wars they should be treated as a Complete US citizen and be allowed to Vote ..

Guam, a U.S. possession since it was taken in 1898 from the Spanish, is the only American soil with a sizable population to have been occupied by a foreign military power.

During World War II, the Japanese held the island for almost three years and brutalized nearly everyone on it. They created concentration camps, forcing the indigenous Chamorro people to provide slave labor and sex.

"If there is a group of Americans who understand the price of freedom, we do," said Michael W. Cruz, lieutenant governor of Guam and a colonel in the Army National Guard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012602050.html

I'd be shocked if you didn't:jester:...I don't have any problem with Guamanians voting...