If I went to protest the removal of a confederate statue as one of the good people Trump claims were there ..and people around me showed up with torchs and nazi flags and anti Jewish slogans . And I didn't leave.. I need to re consider my choices . just saying.
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CtJim. Are you saying white supremesists are not evil??
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I looked. I saw nothing that any sane person could interpret as defending the actions of the white supremacists. All I saw was his condemning the violence and bigotry. Have you seen such language from Trump? Can you post a link?

Please post exactly what I said, that could possibly make you think, I don't consider them to be evil.

I read TDF's posts, every word. I don't see how a rational person could read that, and even come close to concluding that Trump "defended" the white supremacists. Because he said some people in the crowd were good people? How do we know there weren't some non-violent people there, who simply don't agree with taking the statues down? Condaleeza Rice said this week, she doesn't think the statues should come down. Oh my God, she's a white supremacist!!!! We had a white supremacist as sec state!!!

Right, but when he says "some" people come across the border and are rapist and murderers he means "all" Mexicans. It's confusing .
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"you also had people that were VERY FINE people on BOTH sides."

perhaps you missed that comment which is similar to his original comment 'many sides' and his many comments suggesting that people on both sides are to blame...which is an obvious and disgusting attempt at moral equivalence. that is beneath the office of the presidency regardless of party and it should be an outrage that unites us all...

Don't forget the Neo Nazis had permits. The people protesting against them didn't.

There were people on multiple sides to blame. there were also more than just two sides. you had two groups of a-holes that escalated this situation this weekend, Neo-nazis and ANTIFA....both groups need to share the blame for what happened this weekend.

That's that pesky 1st amendment again. they are allowed to be there, no matter how much people hate them.

disagree kevin. there may be a-holes and jerks all around but that is not equivalent to neo-nazis and white supremacists. we fought a war about this

I don't dispute that but to use that as argument how that 'side' had a right to be there vs the 'other side' didn't by the president is a gross way to express the importance of first amendment rights when it comes to a neo Nazi march that resulted the death of an innocent woman....

I addressed that. How do you know there weren't good people, who were there to peacefully protest taking down the statues? He specifically condemned the violence and bigotry, so it stands to reason that when he says there were "good people" in the crowd, he's referring to the ones that aren't violent bigots. If there are any, and maybe there weren't, in which case he was wrong.

Should he have phrased it differently? Sure. But it's not like he said "boy those white supremacists, I totally sympathize with their mission. I mean I live in New York, and if anyone has a reason to really despise blacks, it's me. In fact, let me write a big, fat check to the Klan right now". People are reacting as if that's what he said. He condemned violence and bigotry on all sides. "All sides" necessarily includes the side that the Nazis were on.

Now, I remember a long car ride when I was 8, I was in the back seat with my 12 year old brother. At one point he punched me in the head, I let out a large cry, and my dad (who was driving and stressed out) yelled "you two knock it off!!" Now, should he have yelled at my brother more than me? Sure. Did I conclude he liked what my brother did? Of course not. He used a poor choice of words.

If you want to say that Trump could have done more to single out the side that caused most of this, fine. To say he "defended" the Nazis? It's bonkers. Someone here suggested Trump is responsible for a synagogue that was vandalized. His daughter and son-in-law, both of whom Trump obviously adores, are Jews.

You can't have a rational conversation about Trump, with many liberals, including most of the media. You just can't. Maybe they were so embarrassed by ALL saying that the only thing not known on election night, was how lopsided Hilary's victory would be...maybe that shame and humiliation caused all of them to blow a gasket.

I never said anything about the quality of the people, I said more than one side gets to share in the blame.

ANTIFA started pushing and shoving and that's when the chit hit the fan. That woman may still be alive if people just let those asshats say there stupid BS rhetoric and moved on.

Nobody in their right mine is going to put neo nazis on a moral pedestal
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WoW you just blamed someone else for the cause of this women's death other than the neo Nazi driving the car ... spoken like a true trumpanzee

If I went to protest the removal of a confederate statue as one of the good people Trump claims were there ..and people around me showed up with torchs and nazi flags and anti Jewish slogans . And I didn't leave.. I need to re consider my choices . just saying.

If they stayed and joined in the rally with everything happening around them they lose their good people Status :btu:

No one who thinks the color of their skin or their religion is better than someone else is a good person. And I think you can lump all of the alt right into that group, no ?
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English is a second language to you isn't it??

You also can't comprehend how the whole chain of events started with a single event. A single push set everything in motion.

Just imagine how 2004 might have been if Roberts got thrown out at second.

And you must live in an alternate reality where you think I voted for, or even like him. But glad to see you get to use your new Buzzword.
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Inadvertently stumbled upon a blm rally in Charleston tonight on my way to eat the best steak I ever sank my teeth into . They were huddled around a statue of a redneck named Calhoun. One person out of the 50 or so was black🤷🏿#^&♂️. This has given a cause to liberals who simply look for a cause. People need to get something to rally around but Kaepernick found it before Trump was even elected. Yet some folks like Wayne want to pretend it started with the cheetoh.
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The fact he didn't take the opportunity to specifically and IMMEDIATELY call out those groups for what they are and in the strongest language tell them by name, we as Americans will never allow your BS to gain momentum.

A strong leader with any common sense would still be able comment on people going too far and operating outside the freedoms of free speech on both sides and STILL take a very hard line stance on what those Nazi F-heads and white supremacists are spouting. He has no moral backbone at all, he clearly showed that in his private life, nothing has changed. He can come down hard and easily label the fake media, the lying Clinton's, the nut job FBI director, emasculate his own attorney general and other appointed cabinet members; but he can't label these groups for what they are?

I'm so glad I cast my vote elsewhere and not because I thought Hilary was that much better, mainly because I see this clown for what he is. I get there is a lot of bad corruption in Washington. I get there is way too much government. I get that term limits are way out of line. I get that things are way over regulated. I get all these things, so you Trump supporters, who love to post links, complete transcripts of the latest news conference and spout what has been so wrong for so long, you don't have to convince me we need change; I just don't see this guy being the answer. In fact I think he has become part of the problem, because his inability to take the fing reigns and govern means we all loose.

Where is the leadership? Where is the ground breaking legislation? Where is the new health care he promised for all and that it would happen quickly; the same day in fact......what a naive idiot to think that coming in. Where is the Mexican financed wall? Tax reform, better lock up Twitter and get to work. You have stiffened the boarders and made us weaker in our own back yard.

I hope for us all that he somehow get's his #^&#^&#^&#^& together. I hope for us all he can grow a pair and ignore the noise and do some God damn presidential governing; but I just think this guy is a big fat looser and I'm really not confident he can thicken his skin, get off his Twitter account long enough to do some actual governing.

Both sides ARE to blame. It is not a question of moral equivalency. If you break it down the @$$hole Gooose Stepping WhiteNats had a permit under the First Ammendment to show what @$$holes they are.

Then the GooseStepping Communists (admittedly the historical counter to Nazis if you look at history) started their sheit - again.

Both Antifa and the NeoNazis are complete and utter scum. One has cover by 1A and the other has cover by 1A and the Press. Both are incompatible with liberty.

If the Nazis/WhiteNays come to do a protest I might counter protest, but not if the effing commies are going to be there.

You wanna know a good indicator of how socialism/communism sucks so bad? The East German beer tasted like #^&#^&#^&#^& compared to west German beer.

Yep. ^^ This.

The same folks who condemn The Cheato for not using strong enough language regarding the latest struggle were silent when Obama refused to single out radical Islamic terrorism. Funny how convenient it becomes when it suits the agenda ..
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This You Tube video clarifies who the fascists really are--and some of the roots of the Charlottesville violence:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrytSEyUoY

Then there's this from someone who was at the protest. Note how radical, uncivilized, extreme, unreasonable, fascistic, and all-around evil and disgusting Faith Goldy is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UpF8H1Zjcw

Funny some people are more upset over Kaepernick .. And I see no support for him exercising his 1st Amendment rights .. but Nazis thats different ... the problem is you thought this was never a problem .. theses people have always been around in the shadows as I said some blame O for BLM but wont hold the Cheeto same standard ..

Trump loves saying “radical Islamic terrorism.” He has a tough time with “white supremacy.”


So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

read up O has explained many time why he wouldn't use “radical Islamic terrorism.” seem's you conveniently forgot who those people were who were most upset about Him not saying that... and how it fit their agenda.. FYI : the Right

not that they aren't deplorable, but you don't really hear much from these skin head/supremist/nazi whatevers very often.....you do, on the other hand...frequently hear from and witness the carnage from the other groups mentioned here on a regular basis, particularly over the last dozen years....and they easily lead the league in death, mayhem and destruction during that time...

the question was never whether Kaepernick could exercise his 1st Amendment right..he's free to do so...the 1st Amendment limits government's(Congress shall make no law) ability to prevent him from doing so....says nothing regarding an employer's ability to prevent him from doing so through policy, punishment or dismissal....or other "companies" from refusing to hire him because they disagree with his views...where it applies to the knuckleheads in Charleston...they have the right to free speech and to peaceably assemble...seems civil disobedience has become a trending and popular form of protest

this is a constant

brilliantly stated...

"The current attack on Confederate monuments is only another front in the Left’s endless kulturkampf. The Left is committed to always being on the offense in the culture wars, and, with Donald Trump and his white-resentment politics installed in the White House and Republicans lined up queasily behind him, the choice of going after Confederate totems is clever. It brings out the kooks and the cranks, and some respectable conservatives feel obliged to defend them. Getting Republicans to re-litigate the Civil War is a great victory for the Democrats, who were, after all, on the wrong side of it as a matter of historical fact."

This is what I love about this forum. A thread about the Charlottesville riot and arguing about Trumps inability to lead, someone says they didn't see the presidents comments. I post the Press Conference so he can see said comments....BOOM!!!! TRUMP SUPPORTER!!!

Sorry I thought that the actual comments said were relevant to the conversation, and the actual timeline of events might be important as well.

Carry On....

were they protesting in the name of Christ?...musta missed that

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So should Trump call them Radical Christian White supremacy terrorism how would that go over with his base ???

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Describe Trumps base for me please . I need a good laugh
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August 16, 2017

"A bronze statue of George Washington on horseback stands at the corner of 51st and King Drive, at the northwest entrance to Washington Park. Bishop James Dukes, pastor of Liberation Christian Center, said he wants the statue gone, and he wants George Washington’s name removed from the park. The pastor also said President Andrew Jackson’s name should be removed from nearby Jackson Park, because he also was a slave owner. He said he’s not necessarily asking the city rename the parks altogether. He suggested Washington Park could be named after former Mayor Harold Washington, and Jackson Park could be named after civil rights leader Rev. Jesse Jackson or singer Michael Jackson."


yes...let's name playgrounds after Michael Jackson :laugha::huh:

I stated someone might not have seen the interview, never asked to see it word for word. My problem with Trump isn't with what he said, it's for what he didn't say at the very beginning. You can point out people from both sides did wrong, but not taking that initial oportunity to call a spade a spade is why I think he just isn't the leader many (even his own party are scratching their heads on this one) had hoped he might evolve into.

You didn't know you were being set up? That's why I told him to watch for himself. He was looking for someone to report their opinion so he could attack it. No one did. But you posted next. As I tell my kids, I hope you learned from that mistake. Go in peace.
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Well that is not fair. Everyone knows Obama, the pillar of repeatable integrity, would quickly call out terrorism when it was likely/possibly Islamic Extremism at the last possible moment, just like when police officers act stupidly. But then again, it really is not fair to cherry pick examples like I just did.



1A is not that and you know better. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances"

Kaepernick was not arrested nor detained. He has been praised by some, criticized by others, as a result of his actions. Like the Nazis, CK was exercising his 1A rights - should he be denied them? If he chooses not to be peaceful, and same for Nazis or Antifa, he should be considered a candidate for arrest and charges.

Nazis, WhiteNats, as abhorrent as they are, do have the right under the Constitution to peacefully assemble and they were doing their "redress of grievances". The same rights that BLM, World Without Police, and the Antifa Communists that ironically would impose a state that prevents freedom of speech and liberty.

When we allow politicians and groups with agendas to start picking and choosing what citizens are offered Constitutional protection and what citizens are not, we have failed.




Some were protesting that way and some have that as part of their core belief.

Well by process of elimination, it wasn't in the name of Judaism, Islam, Santeria, .....

White, European heritage is usually Christian. But nobody said they were doing in the name of all Christians, just the twisted view of these Nazis and White Supremacists. Oh and those 2 fine people that were only there to protest the potential removal of a statue.
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Nothing personal,but you honestly have a difficult time with the comprehension skills. Communication becomes futile with folks with limited skills. Go back to your Obama altar and enjoy your alternative universe.
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Jim didn't say boo about it, not sure how that was a setup. Guy says he was camping, didn't see it. I showed him.

How is that a setup.

Strange rules in this twisted universe
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