Paul -

"And you had a group on one side that was bad and you had a group on the other side that was also very violent. And nobody wants to say that. But I’ll say it right now"

There were two groups there at the same time. They are both disgusting. Is one worse than the other? Probably.

That's not "defending Nazis", not even close.

"to watch the apologists"

If you think I am a Trump apologist, you don't know what "apologist" means. I hate the guy. But I hate him for the things he has actually said and done.

If you have no quarrel with Obama meeting with Sharpton dozens of times, it's the height of hypocrisy for you to say that anyone standing next to a racist, should leave the premises, or they are a racist. Try making that wrong.

I don't need to change any of my criticisms of Obama. My criticisms were based on facts (well some were clearly personal as I didn't like the guy), and I don't hold Trump to a lower standard. The double standard is on your side. Again, on one hand you have no problem with Obama meeting with Sharpton dozens of times. On the other hand, you say Trump should denounce everyone that was standing next to the racists. How is that, in any way, consistent?

"really only his crassness and lying". His disgusting views towards women, too. When he exhibits true racist behaviors, I'll criticize him for it. I won't fabricate it.

Paul, here's my issue with the left's treatment of Trump.

For 8 years, the left claimed that it was no big deal that Obama was admittedly close to two loathsome racists - Rev Wright, and Rev Sharpton.

But now, the left is telling me it's a huge deal that Trump associated himself with Steve Bannon. And I guess it's a bad sign that Trump doesn't wake up every morning and have a press conference that he doesn't start off by saying "I don't like Hitler".

My dog could spot the glaring double standard, and he's not an overly bright dog.

Does the right engage in that kind of hypocrisy? Of course, that's politics. But not to the same degree. Lots of conservatives criticize Trump when he deserves it. Not many liberals dared to criticize Obama. It's not the same thing.

If I was a lefty political consultant, i would be telling the DNC to spread the message that despite controlling everything, the GOP can't get a damn thing done. That's a very fair criticism (it ticks me off to no end), and it could hurt the GOP in 2018. Instead, the democrats are devoting all their time to making Trump out to be Darth Vader. Maybe it will work. We'll see.

You could have just said... "but Obama..."
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Here's the thing...if I am going to try and explain why I feel there is a double-standard, I kind of have to refer to the POTUS who I claim got preferential treatment.

How else would one go about demonstrating a double standard, then by comparing the way the 2 have been treated? Can you tell me how you'd do it?

2 wrongs have never made a right.
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But BU5H!tler

Yeah. Exactly.
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NM

Yes it is a double standard. Almost no one on the left cared about rev wright or sharpton, but those same people cannot stand that a potus would associate with Steve Bannon. Textbook double standard.

Sharpton incited violence that led directly to white Americans being murdered. I don't know that Steve bannon has blood directly on his hands.

I agree that nazis and the klan are worse. But fortunately for you, trump has given you zero compelling reason to suspect he sympathizes with them.
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A racist POS is a racist POS, regardless of the color of their skin. It's asinine that people are arguing which Racist POS is better.

Therein lies the hypocrisy
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I think Trump telling the world he is going to totally destroy NK is just fueling that nut jobs will to keep pushing our buttons in any way he can. Think it, imply it with subtle rhetoric, but let the sanctions try to work before you make Kim go do something we will all regret.

Do you actually intend to blame Trump if North Korea does something stupid?
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All Nk wants is to be left alone. They can be played like a fiddle and it's plainly obvious what is going on here. I won't say trump is to blame but who ever is pulling the strings is just waiting for NK to make a big mistake which will be used as an excuse for another senseless war.
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Seriously?

This problem has been Clinton / Bush / Obama admins and the Can has been kicked to Trump.

this is a world issue not an American POTUS only issue ..not sure why everyone frames it as a US only issue .. and to say the can has been kicked to Trump sound Like your giving him a pass

NK program is not offensive its all about regime preservation look what the US has done to non Nuke Countrys the last 60 years .. Its easy to see the desire to have a Nuke as a deterrent.. thats why we have them is it not?

15 SEPTEMBER 2017
North Korea fires second missile over Japan

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...pan-residents/

Stop making sense !
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Of course not but do you seriously think his rhetoric is helping? Keep kicking the crazy dog and instead of just barring his teeth, he might actually attack you.
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Thats how it works who's going to think twice about attacking NK if NK only Talk about a Having a Missile


Pyongyang knows there is no way to use their weapons for gain that would not immediately provoke massive counter-costs.


this make more sense THE ESCALATION SPIRAL
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/order...hat-you-think/

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NK program is not offensive




North Korea fires second missile over Japan:nailem:




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Thats how it works who's going to think twice about attacking NK if NK only Talk about a Having a Missile



:huh:

"All Nk wants is to be left alone. '

Are you serious? They KIDNAP citizens of other countries and bring them to North Korea, to tell Emperor Fatty how people in other countries live. Imagine if that happened to someone you care about?

Good God...

"They can be played like a fiddle. "

No one has figured out how. Looks like they played YOU like a fiddle, if you think they just want to be left alone.

War of words can only last so long and then what?

I don't think this will end well . Bill Clinton set the timeline much the way Obama has done with Iran . When you kick the can down the road you eventually run out of road . Thousands of lives will be lost .
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Previous administrations did not do much at all. Whatever happens, it's Emperor Fatty's doing.

Remove sanctions. Leave them alone and the can can be kicked down the road for generations. I'll say it again. All they want is to be left alone. Furthermore Kim Jong-un's current actions are that of someone who is trying to show his people how strong he is. The people of NK are brainwashed into thinking that he is that of godlike status. To stand up to the US only props up his god like power over his people.
Trump on the other hand is doing this as a distraction for what is going on within his own administration. A classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Had he not chosen to resort to this childish name calling game, the media would making all of us pay more attention to Russian investigations, corruption issues with how much money his resorts bill the us tax payer from his visits, etc. The closer he gets to loosing power, the better our chances are of war.. just wait and see. There's no better way to regain hold on power than a fresh new war.
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US has been poorly trying to contain this for several decades and had sustained brushback from China and Russia - who support most anything that makes life more difficult for the US

No, but the options have gotten increasingly fewer and worse until where we are now.

So it is a America's fault?

I do agree it is more deterrent WRT to NK-v-USA - not an existential threat to us as they would likely have a hard time hitting our cities, let alone a lot of them. SK and Japan, our two best allies in Asia, face an existential threat.

:smokin:

Please, please, someone take Trumps phone away before he can respond to the the latest escalation in the war or words. I truly believe Trumps has no clue how irresponsible his rhetoric is when it comes to NK. I hope he just shuts the F up, let the UN and maybe China coming to the table handle this. I can't imagine living in SK or Japan as a native or part of the military, the fuse just seems to be getting shorter and shorter.
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I miss George W Bush
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