Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1133273)

I thought Israel is a Jewish State...not evangelical

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1133312)

Obama said Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, that was briliant and worthy of the Nobel peace prize. Trump says it, and he’s trying to start a war.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1133314)

Jim. Obama said it once as a candidate in front of a Jewish audience and quickly amended himself.

I think you need to appreciate that not everything is as black and white as you'd like to make it to be.

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 1133316)

He is doing EXACTLY what he told everyone he would do if they elected him... Have any of you listened to this?

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1133317)

Isn't Bibi close to going to jail?

Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1133245)

You are off your rocker.

Universal health care. And free education for all.
What is it about this that you can not grasp?
Why do we give them billions?
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1133287)

I’d wager a guess that there a lot of people in this country that have zero clue about the history of the Israel /Palestine situation. If people actually took the time to learn the history of this, they might view what is going on with a different light. Independent thought seems to be a dead art these days.
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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1133352)

Israel's capital is Jerusalem. Our embassy's tend to go in the capital of the country. That would be JTown.

Difficult? I think not.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1133354)

I think you're forgetting that little issue of International Law.

Originally Posted by spence (Post 1133354)

I think you're forgetting that little issue of International Law.

Originally Posted by Cool Beans (Post 1133360)

Pretty sure the country picks where its capital is.

What if the UN and "international law" decided Fall River was the US Capital?

International Law doesn't decide a damn thing where a country chooses to place its capital.

If "international law" can dictate where a sovereign nation can place it's capital, I guess they can also select the state bird. I am hoping they name it after you.... the coo coo ;)

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1133361)

I think many forget how Israel became a country .. by the UN and "international law"...

Still haven't seen how this helps the United states

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1133362)

Nothing about the previous 3000 years of struggle?

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1133361)

Still haven't seen how this helps the United states

Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1133368)

Having an ally in the Middle East, when we are at war with jihadists, doesn’t help us in any way that you see? You don’t think we share intelligence with Israel?

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1133362)

So the Peoples Front of Judea started in 1947 as a result of the UN?

Nothing about the previous 3000 years of struggle?

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1133375)

Spence seems to think a lot less of Israelis than Trump.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1133368)

Having an ally in the Middle East, when we are at war with jihadists, doesn’t help us in any way that you see? You don’t think we share intelligence with Israel?

Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, that’s not complicated. What if next, the jihadistsbdecude they hate music? Do we pretend there’s no such thing as music?
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1133373)

If memory serves me correctly the city has had many owners over the past 3 millennium.

The 1947 protocol intended to keep the city under International control. When Israel announced all of Jerusalem to be their capital in 1980 it was found to be a violation of international law.

It's complicated, but I don't think you can just issue a mandate and expect everyone to follow.

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1133377)

they were already our ally !! and they haven't let us use their air bases to attack theses Jihadist why do you think that is ?? for the same reason the US has steered clear of the Jerusalem question for decades

Whats your take on settlements legit or just land grab like we did with the American Indians

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1133382)

It is complicated, however the open status of Jerusalem has been under pressure due to minor things like invasions...



Did Israel grab the land? Or did they not relinquish it after each and every attack on them?

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1133417)

Is your suggestion to give the land back after a conflict? Please elaborate. Tell your s what you would do?
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1133418)

Israel has also removed settlements and offered backnprevious strips of land. It didn’t make anyone stop hating them.
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1133420)

What land have we kept after a conflict ..

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1133420)

Thats what the peace process was designed to hammer out


What land have we kept after a conflict ..

Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1133421)

build 10 remove one.. I love your reasoning


3\4 the arab world hate them for what they do.. the rest have always hated them for political reason and history ..

in the USA 3\4 love them for political reasons the rest clearly see what they do and dont give them a pass and the right says we hate them

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1133427)

The Arab world hates them because it is popular with the little guy and because Religion - not politics. Well not fair because for many Arabs Politics IS Religion.

Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1133436)

I find it interesting that people who support the nation of Israel based on historic claims, do not support Native Americans claim to sovereignty when they controlled all of the New World 500 years ago.

The "New World" was not a nation 500 years ago. The inhabited sections were populated by different tribes, not one people, who at various times and places, fought with each other. One of the first efforts at some form of unity was by the Iroquois, which by no means included all "Native Americans," and was an effort in response to European settlers. I suppose, restoring all of the "New World" to the various tribes, what is left of them, would be the end of the U.S. Perhaps the U.N. could settle the matter for us.

Palestinians historically were the residents of Palestine and comprised a number of tribes, one of which became known as the Jews.
It is a long and complicated history and Jerusalem has been in the possession of many rulers. The British plan of dividing up the middle east into separate entities has not worked very well yet, has it? It will be hard to change because fortunes rest on the outcome and no one wants to lose their share.

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1133423)

Guam

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1133447)

They took if from the Spanish Kingdom who relinquished the territory without incident.
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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1133444)

One would need to remember that Native Americans had a different view of the world that was not based on owning property but living as part of the world around them.

That makes it difficult, then, to compare notions of Native American "sovereignty" regarding property, to land disputes between Israelis and "Palestinians."

Didn't work out well for them, did it?

Perhaps, there is a lesson for us there regarding borders and immigration.

There is no more an ethnicity of Palestinians than there is of residents of the United States, Americans.

Agreed. Israel seems to be far closer to the identity mix that comprises the U.S. Not so much similarity of identity mix in the Palestinian territories.

That link is very much to a current Jewish perspective IMHO.

I agree with that. But is it incorrect?

But what I said was Palestine was "were the residents of Palestine and comprised a number of tribes, one of which became known as the Jews"

In that case, then the Jews there are also Palestinian. And so would be the Christians. Sounds like civil war among Palestinians.

Look at it from a much longer period of history like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine
for Palestine
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerusalem
And this for Jerusalem