like the north korea guy at the state of the union? to gin up support for attacking N korea ?

but the plight of an 11 year old America girl an the fear for her parents is an attempt to get elected?

id say they are both examples people just looking for a better life . wherever they can find it

maybe I missed it....is he in the country illegally?

The fear of a child is "sundry" ... not sure if he even know what that word means.

actually..if you read..it reads,.... mom lives in fear of deportation...she's an adult....and since she's here illegally that would be a likely and legitimate fear/concern when you sneak in to a foreign country

collusion??

According to Mueller’s indictment:

" Defendants and their co-conspirators, through another ORGANIZATION-controlled group, organized a rally in New York called “Trump is NOT my President” held on or about November 12, 2016."

A check of their November 12 coverage showed both CNN and MSNBC gave enthusiastic coverage to the Russian-organized anti-Trump rally that day, with live reports every hour. Correspondents celebrated the idea that it was “a love rally,” and repeated the marchers’ anti-Trump mantras, such as: “We reject the President-elect.”

At one point, MSNBC anchor Alex Witt credulously responded to the rhetoric: “That woman, when she’s saying she’s concerned that black people will be shot in the street....Is that a legitimate concern for her? Because, that’s scary.”

Correspondent Morgan Radford cheerfully played along: “Alex, it’s not only a legitimate concern for her, it’s a legitimate concern for a lot of people I’ve spoken to....They’re wondering if this [Trump’s election] is almost a license to carry in terms of hate.”

I watched msnbc last night, and half-beast Rachael Maddow devoted ten minutes to a story in the NYT which cited an anonymous source in the trump administration, claiming that they were all happy that the FL shooting happened since it diverted media attention away from the rob porter sexual abuse allegations, at least for a few days. She (?) went on and on and on, about how horrible it is to have an administration that’s glad when kids get murdered.

With liberals in DC and in the media, if you’re not on their side, you are the epitome of evil. It’s not possible to have a principled opinion that’s different from theirs.
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Jim you need to watch more of the Trump news network aka fox

I cant find any story you quoted... got a link?


https://www.vox.com/2018/2/19/170274...dictment-trump

The data paints a clear story of how damaging it is for a media outlet to prioritize its defense of the president. In the past 72 hours, Fox News:

Limited its coverage of what the indictment actually reveals: evidence of foreign organizations trying to undermine American democracy
Drastically reduced coverage of the Florida school shooting to push pundits onto TV to say this story actually vindicates President Trump, even though it does nothing of the sort
Used a detail of the school shooting to push the narrative that the FBI, and by extension the Muller investigation, is flawed — and gave cover to President Trump

It’s easy to just chalk all this up to Fox News being Fox News. But Fox News is the main source of news for 19 percent of 2016 voters, including 40 percent of Trump voters. There’s academic evidence that Fox News is more powerful than we ever imagined. It’s a network that allows conspiracy theorists to make hay out of baseless lies. And to top it all off, there is evidence that the hosts see their jobs as advising Trump — talking directly to him — and that Trump sees them as his main information source.

What I find so alarming is the effort to undermine our own institutions. It doesn't surprise me that Russia is actively perusing this but how many Americans, Republicans in Congress and even the POTUS are all complicit in enabling the Russian interference.

You can't make this stuff up.

"I cant find any story you quoted... got a link?"

Here it is. Maddow spent ten minutes last night, telling her audience (me and Spence and 2 other suckers) how awful it is that a president would he happy that a school shooting took place. It never occurred to her, that the story might be made up.

The luxury of quoting a second-hand, anonymous source...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.e41b6e25176b

Funny, when Trump complained during the campaign that the election was being rigged, Obama told him to "stop whining", and then Obama proceeded to explain why a presidential election was too de-centralized to be interfered with.

Then as soon as Trump won, it was assumed it woul dbe easy for Russia to influence the outcome.

So when everyone thought Hilary was going to win in a landslide, it was paranoid to assume an election could ever be unfair. If she won, the outcome could not be questioned.

But when she lost? Something must be afoot!!

Do you see how obviously dishonest that is?

All those people conspired to interfere. But not the Hilary campaign by giving money to a foreign agent to help with the dossier. That was some kind of noble cooperation among nations, I suppose. Russian interference", no sir. Right?

Last I knew the Brits were on our side of the fence, from what i have seen about that "foreign agent" he was the point man for the Brits on their Russian desk.
But don't worry Trump never had anything to do with any Mob guys on any side of the oceans.

The Washington Post would have had it double sourced. Probably one of the most respectable papers out there.

There's a big difference between "rigged" and "influenced." Trump was claiming the election was "rigged."

Besides, at that time the scope of Russian meddling wasn't known to be of the scale it is today. Do you hate Clinton and Obama more than you love our Democracy?

They gave money to an American firm who hired an independent contractor they thought would provide the best opposition research. Nothing illegal or unethical about that. Under sworn testimony Fusion GSP's founders said Steele wasn't informed about the client and no money was passed to gain information from Russian sources.

where do you come up with this stuff ? The Russian operation is real

and he has done nothing but blame everyone but the russians

45 Countries Still Don't Have A U.S. Ambassador

130 political appointees working in the Executive Office of the President did not have permanent security clearances as of November 2017, including the president's daughter, son-in-law and his top legal counsel, according to internal White House documents obtained by NBC News.

Trump has no nominees for 245 important jobs, including an ambassador to South Korea


In 2017, 34% of President Trump’s staff was either been fired, resigned, or reassigned. Trump’s first year turnover rate is exactly double that of Reagan’s 17% in 1981, which is the next highest in the past 40 years.

TRUMP GOLF COUNT: 94* Cost to Taxpayer: At least $55,823,128**


Days Trump has spent at Mar a Lago: 57

Cost of flights to Mar a Lago (13 so far):* ~$26,985,000

Days Trump has spent at Bedminster: 33

Cost of flights to Bedminster (11 so far):*~$8,481,000

Trump has visited his clubs once every this many days since his inauguration 4.3

Projected visits to golf clubs in four years: 339

Projected visits in eight years: 678

Total times Obama played golf during his eight year Presidency: 306


the Only Person conspiring against Trump is Trump :kewl:

The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe


1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.

3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was similarly indicted on conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements charges. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts, for now.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer will reportedly plead guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates.

Two ex-Trump advisers lied to the FBI about their contacts with Russians

A Capt should go down with his ship Trump picked the players on his team he is responsible

A captain should go down with the ship, eh? So what punishment would you hand out for the person who was secState when Americans died in Benghazi? A brutal punishment I am sure...
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Not sure I can face palm enough here.

Benghazi please those men died doing their jobs and the right drags them tru the mud for political gain .on a fantasy they were left to die ,,, funny how I have seen no outrage about 4 soldiers killed in an ambush Nigier funny how that works

I am so psyched to see the lefty pukes lose their mind for the next 7 years.
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What about is contributing to Trump s gaslighting. What would you as a responsible parent say to your child if they did something and said but Johnny?
I know what it was in the one I grew up in and mine. It was not that’s OK
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So what you meant, is that republican captains should go down with the ship, while democrat captains leave their post, start billion dollar foundations, and give sweetheart jobs to their cronies.
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Trump might run again in 2020, just for the fun of watching the circus freaks at msnbc and cnn blow a gasket. He is living rent free in their heads, and he absolutely loves it.
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Are you really making the cronies comment now, with the current administration? Without being ironic?
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He even brought up Benghazi too.
#sad
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Name the last administration where this was not the case. I could use some enlightenment.
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That you would value your own titilation over the fitness of our Democracy is really sad.
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Let's be honest Jeff, you only seem to value democracy when it suits your agenda. Remember the fit you threw after election night? It wasn't because democracy lost,nor had the system failed you. It's because you are a big baby. Please understand that every time you complain about our president that I will be celebrating your misery.
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you still love comparing things that are not the same

and no thoughts on the niger ambush

Here ya go.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...reude-and-envy

Bryan, here's the difference, and it is a fundamental difference. I can say out loud, that Trump is a scumbag. I can criticize those on my side, because I know it's honest, and I know it's not going to kill me.

There are liberals here, whose entire philosophe can be broken down to this:

liberal = good, conservative = bad. No exceptions, ever.

WDMSO said that Trump should step down because the captain should go down with the ship. If he believes that, I was just trying to ascertain whether or not he applies that logic to everyone, or only to Republicans. I got my answer, and of course it was the answer I was expecting.

Trump is a morally bankrupt reptile. I voted for him, because (1) I'd rather have a jerk whose policies I agree with, than a nice person who can't do anything right, and (2) the other candidate was also a morally bankrupt jerk, who in addition to being a jerk, advocates for policies I believe to be immoral and counter-productive.

If Hilary had won, we would not see endless outrage of all of the personal moral transgressions, of the president. You know that's true.

I brought it up, because it was suggested that leaders should resign their post, when bad things happen. I was just wondering if he applies that standard consistently, or if he's a hypocrite. I happened to pick Benghazi, I'm sorry that makes you sad. There are many things I could have pointed to, times when things went bad under a democrat, when I assure you that WDMSO did not insist that the captain go down with the ship.

Forget Benghazi...

Obama said that his trillion-dollar stimulus plan would keep unemployment below 8%, he said that under Obamacare our premiums would go down $2500 and we could keep our doctors, Obama was successfully sued by the Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. Do you think WDMSO ever called on Obama to go down with the ship?

What has Trump done, to make our democracy less fit, exactly?

For 8 years under Obama, Christians had their religious freedoms trampled by a POTUS who claimed that they had to check their religion at the front door of their office, by having to fund birth control for recreational sex, and abortion-inducing pills. At the same time, Obama argued that Muslim truck drivers could not be forced to deliver alcohol, that the employers had to make other accommodations.

Tell me what Trump has done that from a Constitutional perspective, compares with that.

Trump isn't a dictator, the checks and balances are still in place, the executive branch is still the least powerful of the 3 branches. He spouts off on Twitter like a baby. It's embarrassing. It's not a threat to our democracy.

Find somebody to run that's less repugnant than he is, and also convince others on your side to stop lying about Republican candidates for three seconds, and Trump would not have emerged.

Your side made McCain out to be a racist philanderer, and your side made Romney out to be a heartless plutocrat (MSNBC said that because he keeps resumes of impressive women in a binder in his office, that means he hates women, that was a segment on MSNBC). You keep throwing cheap shots at decent Republican candidates, don't act shocked when the Republicans nominate someone who is quite comfortable at fighting dirty, who can win at the game of fighting dirty. You never stop throwing cheap shots, we're going to nominate someone who is a master at the game of cheap shots.

Let's fight more cleanly, and there will be no need for a Trump.

Your side still has absolutely no idea how he came to win the nomination or the general. None.

Trump is a douche. Having a douche as president of the US is a threat to our democracy. Having a douche spewing America first is a threat to our standing as a respected global leader.

Trump is a douche
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"Trump is a douche"

Agreed. Is Hilary better? She's not as vulgar or as juvenile. But is her moral compass any better?

"spewing America first is a threat to our standing as a respected global leader. "

The President isn't supposed to put American interests first? I literally cannot fathom how you could say that, and I mean that, it's stupefying to me that you'd be offended that a POTUS cares more about Americans than people from other countries.

He didn't get elected to be Secretary General of the UN.

Obama spent 8 years apologizing for all of America's faults. Did that make our enemies like us?

WHAT HAS TRUMP DONE TO THE RUSSIANS !!!!! NOTHING AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS MENTION OBAMA ??? WHY IS THAT ??

Your side still has absolutely no idea how he came to win the nomination or the general. None. YES WE DO TRUMP SOLD THE COUNTRY A BOOK OF LIES AND PEOPLE BOUGHT IT .. sun light disinfects and the sun is shining brightly on Trump and his administration

you do know the stimulus plan has contributed the economy doing well

I kept my doctor

Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. discrimination is a right new to me ?

But you miss the down with the down with ship point ... Taking about trumps appointments and their criminal indictments ,, lack of security clearances and ambassadors.. yet again you deflect are you suggesting Obama administration was as disfunction as Trumps current administration

There are a lot of references in this thread, and others, to "our" democracy. And the threat to it. Not a threat to democracy. A threat to "our" democracy.

So what is particular about "our" democracy? We are a Republic with a democratic form of electing government officials. And "our" Republic has a unique Constitution which delineates the scope and power of the national government, and reserves the remaining powers to the people.

What is a threat to "our" democracy? Any governmental encroachment on the powers of the people is a threat to "our" democracy. Any chipping away at our constitutional foundation without consent of the people is a threat to "our" democracy. Notions that our Constitution is outdated, that it should be ignored or subverted in any way are threats to "our" democracy.

The assumption that we are a democracy rather than a constitutional republic is a threat to "our" democracy. The Progressives' trick of framing us as their idea of a pure democracy is key to their political campaigns against the foundation of "our" democracy. Transforming us into a pure democracy in which there are no checks against government power and our votes are merely to decide who fills the seats of all-powerful government is an absolute destruction of "our" democracy. It is the form of democracy that tyrants love.

Trump's personal character, his "doucheness," or scumminess, are not threats to "our" democracy. "Our" democracy has checks and balances which keep his scummy doucheness, if that is indeed what moves him, as impediments to his life, not ours. But in a democracy in which government has all the power and our votes merely rotate the pawns and queens and kings (aka Presidents and bureaucrats) in the system, then a President's personal doucheness can be a threat to the people.

It is the Progressive form of democracy, not Trump, which is a threat to "our" democracy.

If there is evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia, let's see it. As of this moment, there is none.

Funny, during the campaign, when Trump said it was rigged, Obama made fun of Trump for suggesting that American presidential elections could be influenced that way. But now that Trump won, I'm supposed to believe that our elections are vulnerable to foreign influence.

"ALL YOU CAN DO IS MENTION OBAMA ??? WHY IS THAT "

It's not all I can do, it's one thing I do. In this case, I do it to point out your glaring hypocrisy. You said a captain should go down with the ship. I can make a long list of democrat leaders who presided over bad results, and I bet you never called for any of them to go down with the ship.

"TRUMP SOLD THE COUNTRY A BOOK OF LIES AND PEOPLE BOUGHT IT "

What lies did he sell that I bought, exactly? Can you name a couple?

"the sun is shining brightly on Trump and his administration"

Did you say the same thing about Hilary's handling of her emails? Or once again, do your ethical standards only apply to Republicans?

The economy is roaring, unemployment is down (especially for blacks, which caused not one democrat to clap), ISIS is being pulverized.

"I kept my doctor "

Who gives a sh*t? He didn't only make that promise to you. Am I going too fast for you? Many people could not keep their doctor/plan.


"Little Sisters Of The Poor for trampling upon their constitutional rights. discrimination is a right new to me ?"

Who were they discriminating against? You just make stuff up? The Supreme Court ruled that they were correct, Obamacare was violating their constitutional rights. Obama tried to force them to pay for the tools for recreational sex. It's not constitutional, and you'd think someone who taught constitutional law might have picked that up somewhere.

I can't wait for you to tell me who, exactly, the Little Sisters Of The Poor are discriminating against?


"you suggesting Obama administration was as disfunction as Trumps current administration"

Nope, they were less dysfunctional. Incompetent and totalitarian, but less dysfunctional.

See? I can say something negative about my side, and positive about your side, when it's true. You might try it sometime.

"you do know the stimulus plan has contributed the economy doing well "

In what way? Where were all those shovel ready jobs we were promised? Obama promised it would keep unemployment under 8%, and it went over 10% (he was only off by a few million jobs, close enough, right?).

Here's Obama joking about what a flop the stimulus bill actually was, that there were no shovel ready jobs.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/searc...9&action=click

Ha ha ha! It's funny that he spent almost a trillion and got nothing.