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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1142272)

"I hate the guy for what he says and how he acts"

Could not agree more. I also hated the way Obama acted and hated most of what he said (though he was not nearly as crass of vulgar as Trump). Been a long time since I was proud of a POTUS.
Not perhaps Nixon, there is a good chance this one is following in his shoes

"w/o the dates you can't tell where Pres. Trump was elected so it appears that the overall trend is basically the same. Pres. Trump or Pres Obama - the empl. rate trend hasn't changed much "

That's true. But Trump has to get some credit for doing something to allow that trend to continue. Obama didn't do anything that would lead anyone to expect that the trend would continue on its own.
We would gladly give him some credit, but he has already given himself more than his fair share.

"the economy has gotten better under Trump but we'll never know where it would be under Obama"

True, we can't know what the economy would look like if Obama or Hilary were in there. We don't know what it would look like had Romney won. All we know, is where it was when Obama left, and we know that by most honest measures, it's better now.
It's on the same plane that it was before Obama left, no matter what Kellyanne, Sarah and Sean say. It's not the most, greatest, best, or whatever simple superlative of the moment

I also know that my take home pay is $250 higher per month. Many, many people saw similar results. We know that's because of tax overhaul. It's been a good thing for my family. Obama would never have signed it, never.

Perhaps a good thing for your family currently, but I am assuming you want your children to live in the future in a growing vibrant economy.
Your odds just dropped according to many economists, though you can find a few that think it will be rosy. Some also say the world is flat, and that Obama was not born here.

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1142275)

"Perhaps a good thing for your family currently"

A good thing for a lot of families, currently. No "perhaps" about it.

"I am assuming you want your children to live in the future in a growing vibrant economy."

I do. Is that less likely today, than it was in Obama's last day? If so, how so?

"Your odds just dropped according to many economists"

Who? Paul Krugman, who said that the US economy would not survive a Trump presidency?

"Some also say the world is flat, and that Obama was not born here"

I don't say either of these two things. But I can say that Obama helped light a fire under the horribly sick US economy he inherited, and I can say that Trump has poured rocket fuel on that fire. And he did it in a way that helps my take-home pay, in a way that Obama never ever did.

Is rocket fuel from Hannity?
I agree with this view more and just hope that the clown show is over soon, don't worry Trump is only the ringmaster, there are several other rings called the House and Senate.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...-and-circuses/

There is plenty of evidence that workers are benefiting from corporate tax cuts.
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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1142283)

There is plenty of evidence that shareholders are benefiting from corporate tax cuts.
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Fixed.

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1142284)

Fixed.

There is plenty of evidence that workers and shareholders are both benefiting from corporate tax cuts.

Fixed.

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1142225)

It adds up Jeff
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Maybe it will help offset the increased healthcare costs under Trumpcare. Or perhaps the social services cuts.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1142286)

Maybe it will help offset the increased healthcare costs under Trumpcare. Or perhaps the social services cuts.
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What happened to healthcare costs from 2009 - 2016? Did they go down by 2500 a year for the average family, as some idiot promised they would?

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1142285)

There is plenty of evidence that workers and shareholders are both benefiting from corporate tax cuts.

Fixed.

In many many cases, workers are also shareholders. Many people have a 401k, an IRA, or a 529 plan, in which case they benefit from the things that Spence says benefit shareholders.

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1142284)

Fixed.

Seriously Jeff, I mean duh.

My response was to wd saying there is little evidence that the workers are benefiting from the cuts. Please try to follow the conversation before inserting your narrative.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1142286)

Maybe it will help offset the social services cuts.
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Social services should be state and local responsibilities, not federal . . . that is if actual, original, constitutional text is applied. The federal budget (oops, there is no federal budget) would be way, far, smaller, and federal taxes would shrink, if Congress and the Court were bound by the original text.

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1142292)

I stand by my response.
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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1142307)

I stand by my childish nonsensical response.
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No surprise there.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1142266)

I can't refute that, Apple didn't specifically say that the 20,000 new jobs were only because of the tax overhaul. But the jobs, I believe, were included in the same announcement as bringing back 250B in cash, and paying a tax of 38B. We do know, those moves are a result of the tax overhaul.

Apple also gave $2,500 bonuses to most of it's 85,000 employees. But let's not talk about that.

I am sorry that the economy is doing so well, Paul. It must eat at you and Spence.

Apple is giving its employees $2,500 bonuses in restricted stock units yet again another example from what i can find hasn't happened ..

ITS been said before.. suddenly now all the governments data is spot on .. no one here isn't saying the economy is is not doing well ,, we just disagree that the avg American is some how in a much better place just because Orange Julius is in office .. which is factually inaccurate

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1142360)

Apple is giving its employees $2,500 bonuses in restricted stock units yet again another example from what i can find hasn't happened ..

wait...so...Apple is giving bonuses or isn't giving bonuses?

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1142360)

we just disagree that the avg American is some how in a much better place just because Orange Julius is in office .. which is factually inaccurate

based on what?....and define "avg American"

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1142277)

Is rocket fuel from Hannity?

that's a tough question....