like retreating to a safe space?......:rotf2:

So now you’re resorting to fictional characters and magical trolls. Fitting.
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I’d feel just as good. But it wasn’t.
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Womp Womp
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I'm sorry boys and girls. I voted for a guy that had a plan not for someone that wanted to plant there plump ass in a chair and smile doing nothing.

Sorry your candidate didn't win the primary.
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Since this thread is a train wreck anyways
"Somehow, some day, people - especially trump's base - will come to realize trump has NO interest at all in America - not the slightest hint of an interest. He is old, used up and in his dotage so he couldn't care less about anything other than having his ego stroked. That's why he goes to his rallies - his pity parties - to have a crowd cheer him. He doesn't care about the effect of his policies on the country. He cares that they stir dissension and more applause for him from his base. When someone dares to disagree, he tears into them with a vengeance to encourage his base to erupt.

Trump is what he's always been - a lying, hypocritical, bigoted fraud. He successfully dodged the draft but excuses himself by saying he worked hard to build "beautiful buildings" and create thousands of jobs. In fact what he did was trick and cheat banks, contractors and others who trusted him - including his wives. When the banks or contractors refused to cave to his determination to change the contract, he took bankruptcy - six times.

His only goal - if he really has one - is to grab what he can for his kids and cronies. He knows he'll stroke out soon and is not the least concerned about a legacy beyond the idea he got great tv ratings. For those who disagree, remember how he has said he thinks of you - stupid. So stupid he could shoot you in the street and no one would notice. So stupid he can tell you he'll have Mexico build his wall and you believed it. So stupid he can tell you how he's going to have health care for all and you believed it. Then the infrastructure and get us out of the mideast and stop mass murder by assault rifle. He's a lying con man with a base of gullible fools"
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Hey don't forget the impact that the trade war is and will be having on those who voted for him, they are in fact stupid if they think the little tax break they got is going to offset what they will pay in jobs and the cost of goods if the trade war continues. Hope they aren't planning on building a new home, the cost of their lumber just went through the roof.

Layoffs are already happening.

Now the trade war is America vs America

Trump threatens Harley-Davidson with taxes ‘like never before’ and predicts its eventual collapse

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.1af657fc61c6

Imagine if President Obama threatened a company like Pres. Trump does. John would have to turn on that server in his basement just for the activity in that thread.

When someone dares to disagree, he tears into them with a vengeance to encourage his base to erupt.

It's a cult addicted to the adrenaline rush. He can tear into friends and even Americans and they simply don't care...it's going to continue to get worse as the investigations start exposing the truth and Trump has to get even more extreme (if that's possible) in an attempt to distract and rally the troops.

KEEP HOPE ALIVE!

Why did they flip Hope Hicks too?
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I know right...

"Peter Fonda called for pedophiles to rape Trump's 12-year-old son.

Democratic congresswoman Maxine Waters called for mob violence against conservatives and Republicans wherever they are seen in public.

Kathy Griffin symbolically performed a bloody beheading of Trump.

Snoop Dogg symbolically shot Trump in the head.

Madonna expressed her desire to blow up the White House.

Deranged Democrat Laurence Key vowed to kill Republican Brian Mast's kids over our immigration policy.

Context


or Intent


or Protest


or....or....or.....C'mon, there's gotta be some reason why this is OK.

Funny thing is I pay a lot of attention to politics and haven't heard of a single one of those events in the media. That being said, just being crude is a far cry from actually showing bigotry to those who are under your sphere of control.

You guys keep arguing pennies and hundred dollar bills are the same thing because they're both money...

you are out of your mind :kewl:

He pays attention to half of politics.
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"I'm going to take a little liberty with some Hyperbole.

But say you witnessed a 100,000 people frothing at the mouth at his rallies, that number would only represent .03% of the population. (325,700,000)

That same number would only be .16% of the people who voted for him (62,980,160)

But yet, people have no problem posting up videos of a few of people on YouTube being ignorant A-holes and saying this is Trumps America.

Its Shameful and Irresponsible."
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Point???

I suppose next you're going to expect us to believe you don't watch CNN :hihi:

Peter Fonda called for pedophiles to rape Trump's 12-year-old son.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/polit...ice/index.html

Kathy Griffin symbolically performed a bloody beheading of Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/enter...lds/index.html

Snoop Dogg symbolically shot Trump in the head.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/14/enter...deo/index.html

Madonna expressed her desire to blow up the White House.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/polit...rch/index.html

Not very often. Maybe Jake Tapper once in a while but that's about it.

then what is your "Go To" news source?

Don't really have one. WaPo is good. The Hill is pretty decent for politics. WSJ, NBC. Like to read more than listen to talking heads and avoid the fringe sites like Fox News.

If a few outliers don’t define Trumps group why does it not work the same for Democrats
Are they somehow more homogeneous than other groups
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Touche'

I'll give ya that one.

Nice move. You got Pete to admit that a few outliers don't define Trump's group. But I don't think you could convince Spence and wdmso that the few are outliers or that they are merely few. Actually, I don't think Pete thinks they are either. He kinda posed a trick question.

How about Trump defining his own group?

Perhaps some would recognize themselves in this
Take it with a grain of salt, please

An Analysis of Trump Supporters Has Identified 5 Key Traits
A new report sheds light on the psychological basis for Trump's support.
Posted Dec 31, 2017

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The lightning-fast ascent and political invincibility of Donald Trump has left many experts baffled and wondering, “How did we get here?” Any accurate and sufficient answer to that question must not only focus on Trump himself, but also on his uniquely loyal supporters. Given their extreme devotion and unwavering admiration for their highly unpredictable and often inflammatory leader, some have turned to the field of psychology for scientific explanations based on precise quantitative data and established theoretical frameworks.

Although analyses and studies by psychologists and neuroscientists have provided many thought-provoking explanations for his enduring support, the accounts of different experts often vary greatly, sometimes overlapping and other times conflicting. However insightful these critiques may be, it is apparent that more research and examination is needed to hone in on the exact psychological and social factors underlying this peculiar human behavior.

In a recent review paper published in the Journal of Social and Political Psychology, Psychologist and UC Santa Cruz professor Thomas Pettigrew argues that five major psychological phenomena can help explain this exceptional political event.

1. Authoritarian Personality Syndrome

Authoritarianism refers to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others. Authoritarian personality syndrome—a well-studied and globally-prevalent condition—is a state of mind that is characterized by belief in total and complete obedience to one’s authority. Those with the syndrome often display aggression toward outgroup members, submissiveness to authority, resistance to new experiences, and a rigid hierarchical view of society. The syndrome is often triggered by fear, making it easy for leaders who exaggerate threat or fear monger to gain their allegiance.
Although authoritarian personality is found among liberals, it is more common among the right-wing around the world. President Trump’s speeches, which are laced with absolutist terms like “losers” and “complete disasters,” are naturally appealing to those with the syndrome.
While research showed that Republican voters in the U.S. scored higher than Democrats on measures of authoritarianism before Trump emerged on the political scene, a 2016 Politico survey found that high authoritarians greatly favored then-candidate Trump, which led to a correct prediction that he would win the election, despite the polls saying otherwise.

2. Social dominance orientation
Social dominance orientation (SDO)—which is distinct but related to authoritarian personality syndrome—refers to people who have a preference for the societal hierarchy of groups, specifically with a structure in which the high-status groups have dominance over the low-status ones. Those with SDO are typically dominant, tough-minded, and driven by self-interest.
In Trump’s speeches, he appeals to those with SDO by repeatedly making a clear distinction between groups that have a generally higher status in society (White), and those groups that are typically thought of as belonging to a lower status (immigrants and minorities).
A 2016 survey study of 406 American adults published this year in the journal Personality and Individual Differences found that those who scored high on both SDO and authoritarianism were those who intended to vote for Trump in the election.

3. Prejudice
It would be grossly unfair and inaccurate to say that every one of Trump’s supporters have prejudice against ethnic and religious minorities, but it would be equally inaccurate to say that many do not. It is a well-known fact that the Republican party, going at least as far back to Richard Nixon’s “southern strategy,” used strategies that appealed to bigotry, such as lacing speeches with “dog whistles”—code words that signaled prejudice toward minorities that were designed to be heard by racists but no one else.

While the dog whistles of the past were more subtle, Trump’s are sometimes shockingly direct. There’s no denying that he routinely appeals to bigoted supporters when he calls Muslims “dangerous” and Mexican immigrants “rapists” and “murderers,” often in a blanketed fashion. Perhaps unsurprisingly, a new study has shown that support for Trump is correlated with a standard scale of modern racism.

4. Intergroup contact
Intergroup contact refers to contact with members of groups that are outside one’s own, which has been experimentally shown to reduce prejudice. As such, it’s important to note that there is growing evidence that Trump’s white supporters have experienced significantly less contact with minorities than other Americans. For example, a 2016 study found that “…the racial and ethnic isolation of Whites at the zip-code level is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support.” This correlation persisted while controlling for dozens of other variables. In agreement with this finding, the same researchers found that support for Trump increased with the voters’ physical distance from the Mexican border.

5. Relative deprivation

Relative deprivation refers to the experience of being deprived of something to which one believes they are entitled. It is the discontent felt when one compares their position in life to others who they feel are equal or inferior but have unfairly had more success than them.
Common explanations for Trump’s popularity among non-bigoted voters involve economics. There is no doubt that some Trump supporters are simply angry that American jobs are being lost to Mexico and China, which is certainly understandable, although these loyalists often ignore the fact that some of these careers are actually being lost due to the accelerating pace of automation.
These Trump supporters are experiencing relative deprivation, and are common among the swing states like Ohio, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. This kind of deprivation is specifically referred to as “relative,” as opposed to “absolute,” because the feeling is often based on a skewed perception of what one is entitled to. For example, an analysis conducted by FiveThirtyEight estimated that the median annual income of Trump supporters was $72,000.
If such data is accurate, the portrayal of most Trump supporters as “working class” citizens rebelling against Republican elites may be more myth than fact.

This article was originally published at Raw Story.

That can be taken in at least two ways. I think the way you mean is Trump being the definition. Another way being Trump saying what the definition is. You and he, obviously would disagree in either instance. It would be a matter of opinion. You cite a lot of biased opinions and misinterpreted (intentionally or not) quotes and selected actions selectively interpreted by you and others. A whole lot of people disagree with you and your citations. Again, matters of opinion.

Your article is mostly academic cultural Marxist and Progressive pap. An example being Pettigrew's notion of "Intergroup Contact." You don't need studies and experiments to understand that contact will influence perception, and that it can lead to acceptance over prejudice. But making it a postulate requires blinders. Pettigrew's belief that intergroup contact between blacks and whites made available in South Africa due to the end of Apartheid supported his theory when he prematurely said in 2006:

"They’ve only been at it 12 years, and the jury is still out, but the progress I saw was amazing. Contact between the races was very polite and a bit formal, as people don’t quite know how to act with each other. But polite beats anything else but warm.”

Actually, now, contact is hot. Prejudice is stronger and deadlier than it was under Apartheid. But it is now Black prejudice against whites, with the goal of removing any whites from South Africa, except those with necessary expertise--even by genocide if necessary.

You could negatively apply any of his five "psychological phenomena" to any election of American Presidents, or of leaders anywhere in the world.

His "Authoritarian Personality Syndrome"--"Authoritarianism refers to the advocacy or enforcement of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, and is commonly associated with a lack of concern for the opinions or needs of others" was especially amusing to me. That is exactly the "Syndrome" that leads to Socialist type of governments--Progressive Syndrome being one of those types. Attributing Pettigrew's Authoritarian Syndrome to most of Trump's voters is a hoot. I know lots of Trump voters, including myself, and those on this forum, who didn't vote for trump because we are submissive to authority. Quite the contrary, we were tired of being authoritatively told how we must live our lives, and tired of authoritarian Progressive types using fear tactics (Trump in this instance being made to look like a devious maniac who would destroy the country) to try to persuade us to vote for them, all the while being accused of racism and other selectively defined negatives.

Academic types seem incapable of accepting what voters said was their reason for voting for Trump. Only deep, dark, psychological mysterious motives postulated by psycho-babble could be persuasive enough to sound plausible to them. As exemplified by this paragraph from your article:

"Although analyses and studies by psychologists and neuroscientists have provided many thought-provoking explanations for his enduring support, the accounts of different experts often vary greatly, sometimes overlapping and other times conflicting. However insightful these critiques may be, it is apparent that more research and examination is needed to hone in on the exact psychological and social factors underlying this peculiar human behavior."

Pass the salt, please.