He was not confirmed bc of his role in the Sat. night massacre where he fired Archibald Cox after 2 folks refused and the firing was found by a judge to be improper.

There were other issues including his views of the division of power bt the pres and congress. He also believed that Constituion did not provide any privacy protection to individuals.

No, he was not confirmed because of partisan politics. A new phrase came out of that, called getting “borked”, it means to be denied something that you are obviously qualified for.

You want to say that Clarence Thomas was guilty, and Bork was unqualified. Fine.
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Stop making things up - show me where I said either.

I asked previously for you to show me where the Dems. played the race card and that they "claiming that a black man was not to be trusted around women" when there were Dems who voted for Thomas and Repubs who voted against him. Biden was skewered for his questioning of Hill. In fact, Thomas was criticized for playing the race card and calling it a "high tech lynching" in his opening remarks. This seemed to scare many of the Dems.

You really don't remember, do you?

I don't know where you found that definition, it's closer to the last one of these. And that's also why his confirmation was opposed.

According to columnist William Safire, the first published use of bork as a verb was possibly in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution of August 20, 1987. Safire defines to bork by reference "to the way Democrats savaged Ronald Reagan's nominee, the Appeals Court judge Robert H. Bork, the year before."[37] Perhaps the best known use of the verb to bork occurred in July 1991 at a conference of the National Organization for Women in New York City. Feminist Florynce Kennedy addressed the conference on the importance of defeating the nomination of Clarence Thomas to the U.S. Supreme Court, saying, "We're going to bork him. We're going to kill him politically ... This little creep, where did he come from?"[38] Thomas was subsequently confirmed after one of the most divisive confirmation hearings in Supreme Court history.

In March 2002, the Oxford English Dictionary added an entry for the verb bork as U.S. political slang, with this definition: "To defame or vilify (a person) systematically, esp. in the mass media, usually with the aim of preventing his or her appointment to public office; to obstruct or thwart (a person) in this way."[39]

There was an earlier usage of bork as a passive verb, common among litigators in the D.C. Circuit: to "get borked" was to receive a conservative judicial decision with no justification in the law, reflecting their perception, later documented in the Cardozo Law Review, of Bork's tendency to decide cases solely according to his ideology.[40]

I found links that defined it as getting attacked politically, especially in the media.

How many times did borks decisions get overturned by higher courts, how many times did Sotomayor?

The gop is likely to get who they want, and god willing, it will transform the court for a generation.
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Most SCOTUS votes are 9-0 or close to that. On close votes the court has been pretty conservative as of late. The Chief Justice has said Roe is settled law.

What's the radical change you're looking for?

From the way you put it, sounds like it doesn't matter who gets confirmed. It turns out OK. What's all the fuss about? Things are all going just fine. The system works. All these posts are fussing over nothing.

This thread should expire.

So I’m way off base to think this s significant, so explain why the left is going berserk?
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Spence, you need to tell this guy that nothing meaningful will change.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32449...ign=benshapiro
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Jim you could tell this guy nothing meaningful will change
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.med...-explains/amp/
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See, I’m actually correct when I tell Spence that the left is worried about trump replacing Kennedy. It’s obviously true.

When I point out an obvious truth related to SCOTUS, you respond with a tale about a republican acting horribly. If true, it’s yet another in a long list of republicans acting immorally. Not sure what that has to do with this, other than showing that you are unable to concede that I was right when I said the left is worried, as I would be if I were a democrat.
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What obvious truth was in the article you linked?
A quote from the article you linked:
No Wonder Jeff Toobin Wants Abortion So Badly, He Once Allegedly Gave His Mistress Money To Have One
A quote from the one i linked:
The prospect of Trump having had a political ally pay off a mistress to have an abortion would be extremely scandalous, even for him. But what we didn’t know, until now, is that there appears to be legitimate evidence to suggest that this affair and pregnancy happened while Trump was the president of the United States!

The obvious truth, is that the left is horrified that trump has the potential to shift the court to the right for a generation.
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Well, he doesn't really. Maybe two years.

Then why is Jim so excited? He doesn't think Roe will be over turned. He doesn't seem to be anti-gay. He's a sportsman so I'd think he'd oppose repeal of environmental legislation. He's a devout Christian so wishing for payback with the suffering of others, even former democratic leadership would be against his faith...

This really may be an existential question for the board. Why is Jim so giddy?

I would hope that this country can withstand whatever Trump does.
Regardless of what you think, he has no magical powers.
Gaslighting does not qualify you as a superhero.
Time will tell
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We will but I had no idea the damage Trump would do to our democracy would be so significant and come so quickly. I don't think most of the effects have even really been felt yet and it looks like his rampage is far from over.

Come on Jeff. What is the average turnover of a SCOTUS seat? Lifetime appointment. Each appointment is an important one. Kennedy certainly held ground from Reagan, so had an effect much greater than two years...

[QUOTE=spence;1145666]We will but I had no idea the damage Trump would do to our democracy would be so significant and come so quickly. I don't think most of the effects have even really been felt yet and it looks like his rampage is far from over.[/QUOTE.

We will, just as we did from the Obama years. (though the families who lost loved ones due to lack of action will never recover) No need for me to harp on the negative effects the previous two terms had on me, but my industry is white hot currently. People are spending on their homes. Is that a direct result of Trump? Not going to say that. Just what effects are you expecting Jeff?
His style is not one I admire, but that is how business is done in much of New York. And I disliked him as a businessman and a person. But he was the lesser of two evils we had on the ballot. Our only hope to get change next time is to present a better candidate.... Until then.... suck it. We did.

No, I mean if he nominates somone more conservative than kennedy, the court is transformed for a long time, because the judge gets a lifetime appointment. I am aware the potus isnt there for a generation, though the last jerk sure felt that way at times.
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If the republic can survive obama with the dems controlling Congress, I’m confident. What did I ever say that implied he had magic powers? Name one thing please?
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He certainly has you mesmerized, you’ll figure it out someday
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More condescending crap from a pie hole🏅
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I have him figured out, he’s a morally bankrupt scumbag who knows how to get what he wants, and from my perspective he’s done great things, while making an ass if himself every couple of days. He also knows how to pummel liberals, and I mean pummel them, at their own dirty game. They can’t handle it.
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It’s a beautiful thing to watch. 👍
Not a good time to be a liberal 😜
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Yes it is, and no it is not.
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There is a good chance DJT could have 2 more judges over the next few years. If high 70s to mid 80s are the benchmark for SC Justices retiring we will use 80 years old as a benchmark for Justices to retire. Interesting thing - how many of you plan to be working hard and flat out at 80? So these numbers are probably very optimistic as to how long these people will last.

How long to reach 80 years old:
John Roberts - 17
Anthony Kennedy - retiring now
Clarence Thomas -10
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - (5) Yes - she is Eighty Five now in 2018
Stephen Breyer - now
Samuel Alito - 12
Sonia Sotomayor -16
Elena Kagan -22
Neil Gorsuch -29



How long to reach 75 years old:
John Roberts - 12
Clarence Thomas -5
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - (10) Yes - she is Eighty Five
Stephen Breyer - (5)
Samuel Alito - 7
Sonia Sotomayor -11
Elena Kagan -17
Neil Gorsuch -24
New Justice - say 28 years

In the next 5 years there is a good chance of 3 leaving the bench (not including Kennedy's replacement):

Notorious RGB, Breyer, and Thomas





^^^^ This. Equal opportunity - not manipulated outcome.

Frankly, no. It is not good to see either side do it though it bothers me less when it is Progressives being triggered.

[QUOTE=JohnR;
Frankly, no. It is not good to see either side do it though it bothers me less when it is Progressives being triggered.[/QUOTE]

I tend to agree. Being on the conservative side I'm comfortable but seeing how some of my family and friends are reacting on social media makes me somewhat concerned about their future (mental) state of mind if the trend continues.

I don’t see most of this as a liberal vs conservative thing, it’s a good America vs a bad America sort of thing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hn1VxaMEjRU
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That is the left,if you don't agree with their ideals then you must certainly be a bad American.
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That statement is the sort of thing that will begin the next civil war.
I did not click on the youtube, no need after that troll.


I saw a video recently where the speaker said that conservatives and libertarians need to be vigilant but not act first and wait ,even if they have to take a beating, for the liberals to fire first. Well my immediate reaction was that they already did fire first, it was on a ballfield recently, remember? Well threats are one thing, actions are another. People need to calm down and stop listening to propaganda and the media needs to be a lot less dramatic and stop egging lunatics on.


I don't understand all the Chicken Little speak, Trump has not even announced his choice yet and people are freaking out.

Exactly not the point.
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[QUOTE=JohnR;1145690]There is a good chance DJT could have 2 more judges over the next few years. If high 70s to mid 80s are the benchmark for SC Justices retiring we will use 80 years old as a benchmark for Justices to retire. Interesting thing - how many of you plan to be working hard and flat out at 80? So these numbers are probably very optimistic as to how long these people will last.

How long to reach 80 years old:
John Roberts - 17
Anthony Kennedy - retiring now
Clarence Thomas -10
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - (5) Yes - she is Eighty Five now in 2018
Stephen Breyer - now
Samuel Alito - 12
Sonia Sotomayor -16
Elena Kagan -22
Neil Gorsuch -29



How long to reach 75 years old:
John Roberts - 12
Clarence Thomas -5
Ruth Bader Ginsburg - (10) Yes - she is Eighty Five
Stephen Breyer - (5)
Samuel Alito - 7
Sonia Sotomayor -11
Elena Kagan -17
Neil Gorsuch -24
New Justice - say 28 years

Ruth Ginsburg is 85 & has cancer
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I guess the meme was too much for me
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I didn’t post a meme, it was a funny video clip.
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#walkaway
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