It would have been a winner likely and brought a lot of bi-partisanship. Instead they went for the trick play.

Most voters don't give a whip about colleges who don't want hate speech on campus. CNN didn't give debate questions to Clinton either, a democratic operative who was a contributor to CNN passed info along. Can't blame the media here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo

He ended the Obama practice of separating families? Now you're just trolling, I won't be a party to that nonsense.

Backing out of the Iran deal, coddling up to Putin, disparaging NATO and our longstanding alliances all undercut our national security.

Starting unnecessary and reckless trade wars, pulling out of favorable trade agreements, lying about our trade imbalances, lying about the deficit etc... etc... isn't helping the economy. Market gains for the year are gone and business is spooked.

9 out of 10 report the same story? Is there some collusion that they choose to reflect each other? Or are they motivated by the same bias?

Has anyone rated World Press Freedom? Does it have a bias?

You lie when you say "But for Trump and his supporters its all Fake lies made to discredit him..." It's not ALL fake news, but much of it is, including minimization or omission of positive news re Trump.

The argument as usual is baseless, with no substance other than you claim that it is true.
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I didn’t say he was awesome. But he’s nowhere near, I mean nowhere near, the cartoon villain the left and the media make him out to be. How many times has the media mentioned lowest black unemployment ever, and how many times have they mentioned Russia? Now I’m not saying russia isn’t a legitimate story, but it’s not the only story. Your side has lost its mind, absolutely lost its mind. Unemployment is down, take home pay is up, and the best idea you have is to let grown men share a bathroom with little girls if they identify that way.
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When was the last time you got one right?

They are dishonest, politically motivated hacks. They are not the enemy, they are actually helping my side, they are making trump ( a despicable person) sympathetic. Not easy to do, but they are pulling it off. They are absolutely, irrefutably, helping my side. Neither they, nor you, are rational enough to see it.
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Just out of curiosity, why weren’t you criticizing obama for not picking Mitch McConnell? If McCain should have picked Lieberman, why the double standard on your part? Have fun with that.

Market gains are gone ytd. The market is way up since he got sworn in, and that’s what matters.
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It’s that Trump magic, started as soon as he was sworn in.
Now he’s going to pick a Supreme Court Justice from a list someone gave him, he’s interviewing to get a “feeling” he’ll know in a minute cuz that’s what he does.
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"It’s that Trump magic, started as soon as he was sworn in."

As always, you are responding to something that isn't even close to anything that anybody said. As always, you do that, because you cannot respond effectively to what we are actually saying. The economy did well under Obama, It is doing better, now, under Trump. Obama got the credit he was due, Trump does not. Your side cannot bring themselves to admit that he's not Hitler.

"Now he’s going to pick a Supreme Court Justice from a list someone gave him"

And what the hell do you suppose Obama did? Put on a disguise and sit in lower courts all over the country to see judges for himself?

Put down the Kool Aid for three seconds, and think, man.

Baseless? You who habitually throw stuff out without an apparent point and fail to back most of your stuff up, especially not in your own words? I asked 5 questions. Are the questions baseless? Aren't questions their own base?

The one positive statement that I made was a response to Wayne's saying that for Trump and his supporters the press is all Fake made to discredit him. It is not baseless, as one of his supporters, to say it's a lie to accuse me of saying that the entire Press is Fake. The basis for my saying that I don't claim such a thing is that I have not so claimed. I have said some of it is Fake, and it is that part that Trump and his supporters (including me) refer to as fake. Neither Trump nor his supporters have said the entire Press is fake.

And there have been several citations of fake news supposedly discrediting Trump submitted in past posts. As Spence would say, it's in the archives.

Amazing how unreasonable some people can be when it comes to this subject.
Nothing I say can shed any light on a closed mind.

https://youtu.be/gWXiNcVtuU4
Just keep believing
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I enjoyed the video.

Is there a personal or intellectual line Trump can not cross ?? or are you just willing to shelve morals, personal integrity, and comon decency to get a crumb that may fall off Trumps Table

reference to Franklin D. Roosevelt,

“Should we go back to 16 years? Congressman, can we have that extended? The last time I jokingly said that, the papers started saying 'he's got despotic tendencies!' No, I'm not looking to do it, unless you want to do it.”

“He's now president for life. President for life,” Trump said of Xi. “No, he's great. And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday.”

Sorry its not hyperbole when it comes from the POTUS

thats funny coming from the guy who worn out "you can keep your doctor" To prove Obama was a liar liar and was horrible .. The media is helping my side making Trump look sympathetic No you are by being an enabler selling your soul to the devil for a few crumbs while turning a blind eye to everything else thats going on in the Trump Magic show ... and convincing yourself its the media's doing ... Sorry Trump has all ready put you in a state of hypnosis.. you just think you can control and put the genie back in the constitutional bottle if it needs to happen .. maybe but its doubtful

never thought being against the POTUS for calling the enemy of the people was unreasonable


"Nothing I say can shed any light on a closed mind "

your right .. especially when the message came from a closed mind to start with

This thread is priceless,we have two close-minded people calling each other close-minded. Not exactly constructive but high on entertainment value. Keep spinning the wheels and make a difference.
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"coming from the guy who worn out "you can keep your doctor" To prove Obama was a liar "

But I am 100% correct when I say that. When Obama was selling the ACA, he said you could keep you plan and doctor if you wanted. He was wrong. I don't believe he was lying, I think he believed it to be true, it just turned out he was wrong.

"No you are by being an enabler selling your soul to the devil for a few crumbs "

I am brutally critical of Trump when he deserves it, which is often. We have that in common. The difference between us, the only difference, is that I can also give him credit when he does something that helps us.

You define "a few crumbs" as Apple paying $38 billion in federal taxes, and adding 20,000 new jobs. That's one company. Only someone with literally zero understanding of how the private sector works, would call that crumbs.

Jim, Here is how the crumbs are distributed and if you look you can see why it is called crumbs. No it is not all Trumps fault, but the tax cut did not reduce the disparity or make it so the bottom 50% had more of a chance to gain some wealth.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fba25527f619

Anyone notice the tragic irony that this post was followed shortly after by a guy shooting up a newspaper?

Only a lefty loon would represent those pieces as being tied together.
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"the tax cut did not reduce the disparity "

What does reduce the disparity, which has been shown to work and to be sustainable? Please tell me.

I go back to Bill Clinton again, who cut capital gains taxes (which obviously disproportionately helps wealthy people), and he kicked millions of poor people off of welfare. He helped fuel the tech boom which made already-wealthy people, ungodly wealthy. Yet he is a hero of the left. Why? Can you explain why, please?

A kook who was making threats against the paper, and investigated by the police for doing so, LONG before Trump thought of running. A former female employee of that paper, moved out of state because she felt so threatened by this guy. All long before Trump was a politician.

He was a madman, on record as being a madman. How dare you imply any connection whatsoever, to what Trump said? You have no shame, no honesty, none, zip, zilch.

Absolutely, there is zero connection. None. But bashing Trump is all that matters.

Trump and his family are getting richer by the day, promoting the family brands and properties with hundreds of visits to them; laughing all the way to the bank while stirring the media with one distraction after another. No blind trust for him, business interests remain unchanged, no tax returns to review, no threat by the Republican control to hold him accountable. Jim wants us to give the man credit when he does something worth praise, I will say for a guy that can screw thousands and thousands of people with one bankruptcy after another, they guy always finds someone or some country willing to fund the family business.

While the Trump brand is going to come out of this stronger then ever, the USA brand will be IMHO severely hurt by the actions of this administration. Jim I’d be carefully giving too much credit to Trump for the state of the economy, it was in pretty good shape when he took office. My retirement has been reduced significantly to a point most of the gains since he took office, have been erased and if this stupid poorly planned trade war continues; I suspect all my gains will be lost.

I will give Trump credit for getting a large number of youth and women engaged in politics, which may be his undoing if he runs again; assuming the Democratic Party can get its #^&#^&#^&#^& together. As an independent I vote based on the merits of the candidates and I can only hope the choices are far superior to the crap we had this past one.
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Jim,
Why would you think I could explain Bill Clinton to you?

Lots of good points there, not much to vehemently disagree with.

"Trump and his family are getting richer by the day"

The Clintons and the Obamas will also get filthy rich from the presidency, but this is certainly different, and I agree he should have gone with the blind trust.

"the USA brand will be IMHO severely hurt by the actions of this administration."

Not sure I agree. And if we hurt our "brand" abroad but make things better at home, I may be OK with that. For example (making up a hypothetical), if outlawing abortion made the French hate us, I'd take that trade in a second.

"Jim I’d be carefully giving too much credit to Trump for the state of the economy, it was in pretty good shape when he took office"

Absolutely correct, it was in good shape. It's in better shape now, and part of that is because the businesses have confidence that he is a POTUS who doesn't thing "business" is bad, and he did away with unnecessary regulations, and gave us the tax cuts. I am of the opinion that those things helped. But your point is valid, the economy had a good tailwind when he took office.

" My retirement has been reduced significantly to a point most of the gains since he took office"

The markets are way up since he took office. 2017 was a great year, 2018 is flat.

"You didn't read the article did you?"

Nope. So I'll repeat the question, what has been shown to reduce the disparity and is sustainable. Is the disparity 'bad'? If Bill Gates earns another million dollars today, why is that bad? He didn't steal it from anyone, no one else is a million dollars poorer, and he will pay some taxes on it, spend some, invest some, give some away. Those are all good things. The liberal fixation on the wealthy makes zero sense. The more wealthy people there are, the less the feds need to take form everyone else.

"Why would you think I could explain Bill Clinton to you?"

In other words, you have no response, because there is no reasonable response. But you aren't about to admit that.

Let me tell you this, when my beliefs cannot withstand the scrutiny of such a simple question, that's the day I re-think what I believe.

Jim,
You have a very narrow set of beliefs, Jim's right and everyone who disagrees with him is foolish and a liberal. Since you can't even read an article that might conflict with your beliefs of course you can withstand scrutiny in your mind because you have no reason to question what you know.
You are truly qualified as a member of the Super Elite
Bill Gates is perfectly capable of explaining the problems with income distribution but you likely won't read that either
http://fortune.com/2014/10/15/bill-g...me-inequality/

I have a very, very broad set of beliefs, in some cases I side with liberals ( gay marriage, death penalty). It’s notnthat my beliefs are narrow, it's that im honest and very fair.

Bill gates is a world class computer programmer, whybusbhe wualified to speak on income inequality? I asked YOU, why is it bad if bill gates, ornopeah winfrey, or George Clooney, get richer today? How does that hurt anybody? Answer - it doesn’t. How could you possibly make the case that it hurts anybody? He’s not stealing the wealth, he is creating it.
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If you read the article you might understand Bill Gate's stance on income inequality and what concerns him about it and it's effect on society. Now of course since he is only a computer programmer and not a reality TV star he doesn't really understand the situation.
However he is likely the second wealthiest man in the world, far wealthier than almost anyone else including Mr Magic.

I don't care what Bill Gates has to say about income inequality. I asked what Pete F thinks about income inequality. I asked Pete F why it's bad if Bill Gates, or Oprah Winfrey, or Meryl Streep, get richer today. How does that hurt anyone? Any chance you can answer in your own words? I've asked twice now. Any chance you can answer?

"I'm sure you have black friends also."

I said that I side with liberals on some big issues, because I know how to think for myself. I'd be curious to know, on what big issues, do you disagree with liberals? Let's see who is narrow minded and who is not?

"However he is likely the second wealthiest man in the world"

Which makes him amazingly successful at computer code. It says nothing about his knowledge of the causes and effects of income inequality. If he cared so much about income inequality, why is he still the second richest person in the world? Why not keep 250 million, and give the rest away?

OK, I read it. Gates wants to stop taxing wealth, and tax consumption instead. I have no idea, none at all, what the pros and cons of that are. The article didn't get into it at all. I'm supposed to think it's a good idea, just because Bill Gates says so? How about convincing me with facts, logic, common sense, empirical evidence?

You have no idea what a hit the Trump brand took internationally since everybody found out he is a douche.
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I think they are doing more than fine, the Trump brand isn’t suffering.
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Ivanka (the daughter trump would totally bang if she wasn’t his daughter.. tremendous ass by ththe way) changed the name of her handbag and clothing line to 100% remove the name Trump.. I believe the Trump brand has been tarnished like the cast bronze turd that it is.
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funny we were told by some to include the POTUS that Maxine Waters incited violence in her comments


Congressman Biggs (R) issued the following statement after introducing a resolution to censure and condemn Representative Maxine Waters:

Individuals have the right to debate their differences civilly, without fear of retribution. Unfortunately, Maxine Waters' comments condone public violence and encourage actions that jeopardize the safety and security of government officials and the American people. Those determined to undermine the progress and agenda of President Donald Trump, have taken it upon themselves to demonize their opposition.As Members of Congress we have the responsibility to lead by example and this rhetoric is simply unacceptable.”

Guess what he said about Trump calling the press the enemy of the people... you guessed it nada nothing funny how that works

Sure he was crazy but why crack now? Considering Trump's history of promoting violence, threatening individuals in the press, calling out the press as our countries greatest threat etc... etc... you can't decouple his actions as the most powerful person in the country with people that could be influenced. This doesn't mean Trump's responsible but it does put his behavior in tragic context. That he was back at it after the event is really deplorable.

now he is going after Harley ! True to form and in a very un POTUS fashion

Trump has threatened to impose higher taxes on the Milwaukee-based manufacturer in retaliation after it said on June 25 it was shifting some production for European-bound motorcycles from U.S. facilities to avoid tariffs being imposed by the European Union to counter U.S. duties imposed by Trump.

He actually said this morning the Administration was talking to foreign makers about moving production to the US as a retaliatory measure. It was likely made up but this is like the twilight zone.

Guys, tighten up the chinstrap on your tinfoil hats,it's going to be a bumpy ride. No need to demonstrate who the lefty loons are.
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