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scottw 07-09-2018 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146255)
Koolaid is a historical reference to a 1978 incident in Jonestown, Guyana where 900 people, mostly members of a religious cult died after drinking Koolaid laced with cyanide and other drugs.


detbuch...betcha didn't know that :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

wdmso 07-09-2018 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 1146221)
Wayne, there is no strong moderate Dem wing anymore. There are Progressives to Socialists, and a few remaining moderates . The more extreme of these people want to pull the Constitution apart and they are gaining influence. Yes, ugly Republicans are a better alternative to that.


This is where I have issues with conservatives in general the dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country .. they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white win or lose us or them ... its encoded in their DNA their message

And they are willing to look the other way (trump) so they can get a Supreme court appointment . who will bring them back in time when America was Great reverse that pesky Roe V wade reverse equal protection of people from those not like them. roll back regulations even if we dont know what they do or why we have them its just sounds good.. hell they even bring back merry Christmas.. and god back in schools and all will be good again who are ugly Republicans are the ones who are going to do that ... ??? Devin Nunes and yet we have Trump being kinder to enemy's then he is to allies Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results and the GOP and supporters is in lock step .. just to get something for themselves

Sea Dangles 07-09-2018 08:40 AM

It's all right, you will still have a safe space.
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scottw 07-09-2018 09:33 AM

just trying something..."Bad Liberal Reading"

This is Devin Nunes supporters is in lock step god back in schools Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results just to get something for themselves hell they even bring back merry Christmas..and all will be good again and yet we have Trump being kinder so they can get a Supreme court appointment who are ugly Republicans and the GOP and dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country are the ones who are going to do that ..even if we dont know what they do its just sounds good...they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white(trump) who will bring them back in time from those not like them where I have issues ... its encoded in their DNA their message when America was Great they are willing to look the other way that pesky Roe V wade enemy's then he is to allies with conservatives in general reverse.... roll back.... reverse equal protection of people regulations why we have them??

The Dad Fisherman 07-09-2018 09:46 AM

I agree with you up to this point

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1146259)
This is where I have issues

Everything after that is just one big Popsicle headache

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1146259)
with conservatives in general the dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country .. they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white win or lose us or them ... its encoded in their DNA their message

And they are willing to look the other way (trump) so they can get a Supreme court appointment . who will bring them back in time when America was Great reverse that pesky Roe V wade reverse equal protection of people from those not like them. roll back regulations even if we dont know what they do or why we have them its just sounds good.. hell they even bring back merry Christmas.. and god back in schools and all will be good again who are ugly Republicans are the ones who are going to do that ... ??? Devin Nunes and yet we have Trump being kinder to enemy's then he is to allies Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results and the GOP and supporters is in lock step .. just to get something for themselves


detbuch 07-09-2018 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1146258)
detbuch...betcha didn't know that :rotf2::rotf2::rotf2:

Yea, everybody knows what the colloquial phrase "drinking the Kool Aid" means. I was referring to Stripers' not "drinking the cool aid." But that could be a new meme like drinking something "superior, desirable, worthy of approval"--something really cool, hip, smart, chic, up to date. But why wouldn't someone of a Progressive bent drink that kind of aid?

spence 07-09-2018 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1146248)
I can understand why you wouldn't want to drink the aid if its temperature is not to your preference. But, though I understand it, I don't care.

You don't seem to care much. Parroting Melania's fascist fling or just having a bad day?

scottw 07-09-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146270)

You don't seem to care much.

1%

wdmso 07-09-2018 11:22 AM

Funny only liberals can destroy the country ,,

you Guys speak as if republicans and conservatives never held office :rotflmao:

Pete F. 07-09-2018 12:02 PM

Likely the Trump Koolaid business will go the way of some of his other ideas, hopefully the USA won't be one of them.
Trump Steaks
GoTrump.com
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
Trump The Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University
Trump Ice
The New Jersey Generals
Tour de Trump
Trump on the Ocean
The Trump Network
Trumped!
Trump New Media
Trump's balanced budget

scottw 07-09-2018 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146276)
Likely the Trump Koolaid business will go the way of some of his other ideas

yeah..well...everyone that drinks the kool aid dies...right?

Pete F. 07-09-2018 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1146278)
yeah..well...everyone that drinks the kool aid dies...right?

I didn't say it was a successful venture

detbuch 07-09-2018 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1146271)
1%

A bit high . . . but close.

detbuch 07-09-2018 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146270)
You don't seem to care much. Parroting Melania's fascist fling or just having a bad day?

Is that a native American thing, being care free is having a bad day?

spence 07-09-2018 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1146301)
Is that a native American thing, being care free is having a bad day?

I was under the misken impression that you cared. I guess it’s all about a Justin or two, nothing else really matters.
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detbuch 07-09-2018 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146303)
I was under the misken impression that you cared. I guess it’s all about a Justin or two, nothing else really matters.
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I was under the impression that context was of the utmost importance to you. I didn't care about specific things that Got Stripers brought up. And I said the only thing I intensely cared about re Trump is hoping that he had the chance to nominate at least 2 or 3 SCOTUS Judges.

There are a lot of things in my life that I care about more than any of the above, especially more than concerns about what leftists think or believe about Trump.

Got Stripers 07-09-2018 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1146304)
I was under the impression that context was of the utmost importance to you. I didn't care about specific things that Got Stripers brought up. And I said the only thing I intensely cared about re Trump is hoping that he had the chance to nominate at least 2 or 3 SCOTUS Judges.

There are a lot of things in my life that I care about more than any of the above, especially more than concerns about what leftists think or believe about Trump.

It’s not what we believe that we want to comment on, at least from my perspective, the actions, means and methods of DJT don’t really need to much interpreting. Nothing like we’ve ever seen in politics before, yes shades and glimpse at times and again I see some may feel his means justify the ends. Since I don’t agree with much of his end game, I certainly take great offense to the means. I’m frankly embarrassed at times this man is our POTUS.
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spence 07-09-2018 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1146307)
It’s not what we believe that we want to comment on, at least from my perspective, the actions, means and methods of DJT don’t really need to much interpreting. Nothing like we’ve ever seen in politics before, yes shades and glimpse at times and again see some may feel his means justify the ends. Since I don’t agree with much of his end game, I certainly take great offense to the means. I’m frankly embarrassed at times this man is our POTUS.
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Word.
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detbuch 07-09-2018 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1146307)
It’s not what we believe that we want to comment on, at least from my perspective, the actions, means and methods of DJT don’t really need to much interpreting. Nothing like we’ve ever seen in politics before, yes shades and glimpse at times and again I see some may feel his means justify the ends. Since I don’t agree with much of his end game, I certainly take great offense to the means. I’m frankly embarrassed at times this man is our POTUS.
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Discussing the end game would be interesting to me. The rest, personal opinion re how Trump is different or embarrassing, not so much.

RIROCKHOUND 07-10-2018 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146205)
The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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That is concerning about this one.
Not even a stenographer to record the meeting for US records...

Nebe 07-10-2018 07:24 AM

Putin is coming to scold his bitch
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Sea Dangles 07-10-2018 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146205)
The media doesn’t but there should be an official government record of the meeting even if its not immediately made public. I’d think he should also have a translator.
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Without a translator there could be a communication glitch.
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Pete F. 07-10-2018 07:58 AM

He needs to discuss his debts in private, there's a reason he didn't release his tax returns.
Though Trump has never succeeded in developing property in Russia, his company has benefited significantly from Russian money in the form of its clientele. For example, according to a Bloomberg investigation into Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.” Trump World Tower sales agent Debra Stotts told Bloomberg that they had “big buyers from Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan.” New York real estate broker Dolly Lenz sold “about 65 units in Trump World Tower […] to Russian buyers looking for real estate.” Lenz is quoted as saying “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States […] what do you have to recommend?’ They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” In 2002, “the push to sell units in Trump World to Russians expanded,” when Sotheby’s International Realty reportedly teams up with Kirsanova Realty, a Russian company.

The Trump Organization reportedly welcomed the Russian clientele. For example, a 2013 article in The Nation about the influx of Russian money in Miami real estate noted that Elena Baronoff, a Russian-American socialite once described on the cover of a Russian magazine as “The Russian Hand of Donald Trump,” operated a real-estate company catering to Eastern European buyers out of the lobby of the city’s Trump International Beach Resort. The New Republic has also extensively documented how the Trump Organization actively sought Russian buyers, so much so that the area around Trump Sunny Isles in Florida became known as “Little Moscow.” Within Trump’s Florida licensing developments, Reuters identified a total of twenty units in Trump Towers I, II, and III that were purchased by individuals with Russian passports or addresses. Individuals with Russian passports or addresses also purchased sixteen units in Trump Palace, twenty-seven units in Trump Royale, and thirteen units in Trump Hollywood. Trump accepted Russian money on a personal level, as well; Russian fertilizer magnate Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchased of one of Trump’s mansions in Palm Beach for $53 million more than Trump had paid for it four years earlier. Some of these Russian buyers have brought more than just money to the Trump Organization—they’ve also brought links to Russian organized crime. In 1984, a Russian by the name of David Bogatin purchased five condos in Trump Tower for a total of $6 million. Bogatin, who was linked to Russian mob boss Semion Mogilevich, pleaded guilty three years later to “evading millions of dollars in state fuel taxes in what state officials called one of the largest gasoline bootlegging operations in the nation.” The five condos were seized by the government, who claimed that he had used the purchase to launder money. Separately, In April 2013, New York police arrested “29 suspects in two gambling rings” run out of condos in Trump Tower. A condo directly below a unit owned by Trump reportedly “served as the headquarters for a ‘sophisticated money-laundering scheme’” run by an individual who worked for Semion Mogilevich. Until he began running for president, Trump not only did not deny his extensive dealings with Russian investors and clients but actually spoke about it frequently, boasting of the amount of Russian money that flowed through his projects in numerous interviews. So, too, did his sons, Donald Jr. and Eric: In 2008, Donald Jr. told investors in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” while Eric reportedly told a golf reporter in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

Got Stripers 07-10-2018 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1146333)
He needs to discuss his debts in private, there's a reason he didn't release his tax returns.
Though Trump has never succeeded in developing property in Russia, his company has benefited significantly from Russian money in the form of its clientele. For example, according to a Bloomberg investigation into Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.” Trump World Tower sales agent Debra Stotts told Bloomberg that they had “big buyers from Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan.” New York real estate broker Dolly Lenz sold “about 65 units in Trump World Tower […] to Russian buyers looking for real estate.” Lenz is quoted as saying “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States […] what do you have to recommend?’ They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” In 2002, “the push to sell units in Trump World to Russians expanded,” when Sotheby’s International Realty reportedly teams up with Kirsanova Realty, a Russian company.

The Trump Organization reportedly welcomed the Russian clientele. For example, a 2013 article in The Nation about the influx of Russian money in Miami real estate noted that Elena Baronoff, a Russian-American socialite once described on the cover of a Russian magazine as “The Russian Hand of Donald Trump,” operated a real-estate company catering to Eastern European buyers out of the lobby of the city’s Trump International Beach Resort. The New Republic has also extensively documented how the Trump Organization actively sought Russian buyers, so much so that the area around Trump Sunny Isles in Florida became known as “Little Moscow.” Within Trump’s Florida licensing developments, Reuters identified a total of twenty units in Trump Towers I, II, and III that were purchased by individuals with Russian passports or addresses. Individuals with Russian passports or addresses also purchased sixteen units in Trump Palace, twenty-seven units in Trump Royale, and thirteen units in Trump Hollywood. Trump accepted Russian money on a personal level, as well; Russian fertilizer magnate Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchased of one of Trump’s mansions in Palm Beach for $53 million more than Trump had paid for it four years earlier. Some of these Russian buyers have brought more than just money to the Trump Organization—they’ve also brought links to Russian organized crime. In 1984, a Russian by the name of David Bogatin purchased five condos in Trump Tower for a total of $6 million. Bogatin, who was linked to Russian mob boss Semion Mogilevich, pleaded guilty three years later to “evading millions of dollars in state fuel taxes in what state officials called one of the largest gasoline bootlegging operations in the nation.” The five condos were seized by the government, who claimed that he had used the purchase to launder money. Separately, In April 2013, New York police arrested “29 suspects in two gambling rings” run out of condos in Trump Tower. A condo directly below a unit owned by Trump reportedly “served as the headquarters for a ‘sophisticated money-laundering scheme’” run by an individual who worked for Semion Mogilevich. Until he began running for president, Trump not only did not deny his extensive dealings with Russian investors and clients but actually spoke about it frequently, boasting of the amount of Russian money that flowed through his projects in numerous interviews. So, too, did his sons, Donald Jr. and Eric: In 2008, Donald Jr. told investors in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” while Eric reportedly told a golf reporter in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

Yep, follow the money!!!!

Got Stripers 07-13-2018 02:16 PM

12 more Russians indicted today, but I suspect DJT won't make any bid deal of it when he meets with Putin, he has down played their involvement in the election at every turn; no sense in changing viewpoints now. Frankly why would he, it's very likely their involvement impacted the election, to what extent one could never determine, but it was in his favor; that much we know. He will ask if they meddled, Putin will deny of course and Trumps will say ok I believe you.

spence 07-13-2018 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Got Stripers (Post 1146601)
12 more Russians indicted today, but I suspect DJT won't make any bid deal of it when he meets with Putin, he has down played their involvement in the election at every turn; no sense in changing viewpoints now. Frankly why would he, it's very likely their involvement impacted the election, to what extent one could never determine, but it was in his favor; that much we know. He will ask if they meddled, Putin will deny of course and Trumps will say ok I believe you.

Today was huge. Indicting not just Russians but GRU agents. This is a big deal...

Got Stripers 07-13-2018 04:57 PM

IMHO the correct statement is to cancel the meeting, but the bromance is too far down the road.
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spence 07-13-2018 05:09 PM

Mueller knows everything. This is going to get interesting very soon.

Nebe 07-13-2018 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146609)
Today was huge. Indicting not just Russians but GRU agents. This is a big deal...

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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spence 07-13-2018 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1146617)
Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

Nebe 07-13-2018 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146618)
The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

For what? Trump to th boot and Pence to take the wheel and steer us to the rapture and gay conversion therapy? Pass.....
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scottw 07-13-2018 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1146618)
The FBI statement today sent a serious message. This is about our Democracy, not about partisanship. Get ready...

you haven't been this excited since the shirtless photo of Obama on the beach

RIROCKHOUND 07-13-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1146623)
you haven't been this excited since the shirtless photo of Obama on the beach

That’s some nice projection there Scott.
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The Dad Fisherman 07-13-2018 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1146617)
Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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Well, that statement should help lead to a few choruses of cumbayah
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Nebe 07-13-2018 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1146629)
Well, that statement should help lead to a few choruses of cumbayah
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I call it as I see it.
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Sea Dangles 07-13-2018 09:26 PM

It's become that way for a lot of folks and it's too bad to be portrayed in such a way simply because you don't agree politically. Not the best advertising but obviously shows how wide the gap is, as much as I see things differently than Nebe I always appreciated his perspective. Talk about polarization and then make a statement that seems like it came from Donald himself.
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wdmso 07-14-2018 06:48 AM

all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump


BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..:btu:


and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
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President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely > :cheers2:

Got Stripers 07-14-2018 07:49 AM

Russian money, Russian election help, Russian love; who is the happy Racoon face😬
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JohnR 07-14-2018 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1146617)
Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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Trumptards / Deplorables. You might think there is a concentrated effort to make sure people vote the other way.

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1146630)
I call it as I see it.
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Yehh but, phhhhhhhhhhh, hmpphhh, you've always been this way against the other side so at least you are consistent in your hatred and apathy ; )

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1146641)
all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump


BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..:btu:


and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
.
President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely > :cheers2:

You are so bad at cherrypicking your points - lots of PFA - makes it hard to follow your word salad

PaulS 07-14-2018 10:11 AM

How about an indictment stated that the same day Trump asks Russia to hack Hillary's emails they started doing that. And yet we're going to hear that Russian interference had nothing to do with the election results.
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