False Flag?

I can't write a letter to the editor of the NYT, without identifying myself. There is a valid reason for that.

There was a politician that was elected by the Republican Party that said on TV and we pay him

"Why can’t we use nuclear weapons?"
“When Iran, when they circle our beautiful destroyers with their little boats, and they make gestures at our people that they shouldn’t be allowed to make, they will be shot out of the water."
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? It's, like, incredible."
"I know more about ISIS than the generals do, believe me... I would bomb the sh**t out of them."
"You know what I wanted to. I wanted to hit a couple of those speakers so hard. I would have hit them. No, no. I was going to hit them, I was all set and then I got a call from a highly respected governor... I was gonna hit one guy in particular, a very little guy. I was gonna hit this guy so hard his head would spin and he wouldn’t know what the hell happened... I was going to hit a number of those speakers so hard their heads would spin, they’d never recover. And that’s what I did with a lot – that’s why I still don’t have certain people endorsing me: they still haven’t recovered."
"I love the old days, you know? You know what I hate? There's a guy totally disruptive, throwing punches, we're not allowed punch back anymore. ... I'd like to punch him in the face, I'll tell ya."
"There may be somebody with tomatoes in the audience. If you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? Seriously. Okay? Just knock the hell -- I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees."
"I think our country does plenty of killing also, Joe."

Here is the difference, and I will try to go very slowly...
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Most people, even many on the right, speak out against Trump when he says these things, and when he acts this way. I didn't see anyone here, criticize the NYT for their historical willingness to abandon journalistic principles for political expediency.

I'm not saying Trump is better than the NYT. I'm saying unlike you, I can readily criticize Trump, or anyone on my side, when they deserve it.

That's the difference. Am I going too fast for you?

You need to not believe everything Faux says
You have been conned and you will find out later how bad, just keep believing Trumps gaslighting.
One unnamed reporter does not lead a newspaper.
While you claim that you are capable of criticizing Baby Donnie Bonespurs, you are willing to sacrifice your principles for what you think are gains.
I think if he actually shot Michael Cohen on Fifth Avenue you would accept it, thats just trump, you know what he's like, he said he was going to do it and now he's fulfilled another campaign promise.
I didn't hear a word about his Tweet about how it's unfair that the DOJ indicted two republicans, Republicans were the rule of Law party, Trumplicans certainly are not.

Unlike some, I don't think the NYTs would fall for John Baron

"One unnamed reporter does not lead a newspaper."

True. But all the liberals here, as far as I can see, have bought the story hook line and sinker. And it may well be true. But we don't know, and the paper has no credibility, and I don't say that because of one reporter or one story. The NYT is the exact mirror image of Sean Hannity. Both are equally useless.

"You need to not believe everything Faux says"

Haven't watched much since O-Reilly and Megyn Kelly left. If Brett Baier's show is consistently incorrect, show me the data, please, otherwise it's an empty accusation.

"you are willing to sacrifice your principles for what you think are gains."

I sacrificed nothing. I would never, ever have voted for Trump in the primary. In the general, it was him or Hilary, and that was an easy choice, consistent with my principles.

"for what you think are gains."

I see. So it's just in my head that the market is up, unemployment is down, GDP is up, black unemployment is at an all-time low, and now we see that layoffs are down. It's all in my head when I say those are positives.

Pete, regardless of who is POTUS, I give credit where it's due, and criticism where it's due. I do it with Trump, I did it with Obama. Try it sometime, you might enjoy how honesty actually feels.

" think if he actually shot Michael Cohen on Fifth Avenue you would accept it, thats just trump"

Did you hit your head? When have I ever been a Trump apologist? That's funny. I'm trying to talk with you Pete, but if you can't concede that I'm harshly critical of Trump when he deserves it, then you just aren't rational.

So the op ed isn't believable? Did it really say anything different than what was reported for the last 21 months?

You make a great point, in that even I have accused Trump of most of what I assume is in the article. It's just interesting that you can't submit a simple letter to the editor if it's anonymous, but publishing this is OK. It's OK to quote anonymous sources, this is more than that.

Do you think the NYT would have done this in 2009, if an Obama advisor wrote the same thing anonymously?

Paul, much of the left, it seems (NOT you) have completely left their sanity at the door with this guy.

The difference is that the NYT knows who wrote it and an anonymous letter coming in the door isn't going to be published by any newspaper. They have said that other op eds (I think 2 or 3) have been published in a similiar fashion.

I would hope they would do the same w/Obama but we haven't had a situation like this before - maybe Nixon?

false flag is a covert operation designed to deceive; the deception creates the appearance of a particular party, group, or nation being responsible for some activity, disguising the actual source of responsibility.

He said Attorney General Jeff Sessions "should be investigating who the author of that piece was because I really believe it's national security".

Mr Trump also said he was considering taking action against the newspaper, causing its share price to dip.



No authoritarianism like tendencies from Trump .... love using the national security catch all

I know what a False Flag is, as well as numerous examples in recent and not so recent history where it was used.

I also know it is lead-in #1 in most conspiracies, I don't think you are a conspiracy guy .

I thought a false flag is the name of the pin Trump wears on his blazer.
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I'am not ... but this oped creates more answers then it provides .. and the biggest benefit would be to Trump and his supporters who all ready are convinced the deep state is out to get him.

Many on the left and and right running it up the flag pole as if its the 100% truth as well ... there is no skepticism in any of the reporting from either side it's crazy

That is bad, even for you.

Not as as his approval ratings.

Zing! :hidin:
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