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detbuch 10-11-2018 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1153087)
Pete, all that aside. Do you understand some are legal and others are not?
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You don't understand. Illegals make this country great.

Pete F. 10-11-2018 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1153087)
Pete, all that aside. Do you understand some are legal and others are not?
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Really?
Did I say that they didn’t exist?
Would it be acceptable to you to have to carry a identity card and show it on demand?
We all lost a tremendous amount of freedom with the Patriot Act
What more do you want to give up?
Get chipped at birth perhaps?
Then ICE could just collect the unchipped illegals.
We have the technology to control people completely more like a science fiction movie than any you have seen
Be careful what you wish for
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Sea Dangles 10-11-2018 09:58 PM

I wish for all legal citizens to be happy. Rant all you want but that is my point. I hope you take time to understand what I am saying.
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Ian 10-11-2018 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1153088)
If we can't stop every single one, it's all a failure.

A great mind once said, “Don’t let good be the enemy of great.”
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detbuch 10-11-2018 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1153111)
A great mind once said, “Don’t let good be the enemy of great.”
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Excellent advice. It is good to prevent as many illegals as possible rather than just giving up because you can't prevent them all.

Ian 10-12-2018 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1153113)
Excellent advice. It is good to prevent as many illegals as possible rather than just giving up because you can't prevent them all.

I think expanding the idea of prevention to include reevaluating the way we consider paths to legal citizenship should be a part of this solution.

While I’m not suggesting anything with regards to people that are currently here illegally, what I am saying is that I believe we have a serious issue with our immigration system when there are legal immigration paths where large well to do companies can internationally recruit people and pay them through the system but small businesses who can’t afford the same are forced to hire “illegal” help where it’s readily available because those people aren’t afforded the same experience with our system.

I’m not sure you agree with me here, but I consider this part of preventing illegal immigrants.
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detbuch 10-12-2018 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1153125)
I think expanding the idea of prevention to include reevaluating the way we consider paths to legal citizenship should be a part of this solution.

While I’m not suggesting anything with regards to people that are currently here illegally, what I am saying is that I believe we have a serious issue with our immigration system when there are legal immigration paths where large well to do companies can internationally recruit people and pay them through the system but small businesses who can’t afford the same are forced to hire “illegal” help where it’s readily available because those people aren’t afforded the same experience with our system.

I’m not sure you agree with me here, but I consider this part of preventing illegal immigrants.
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If there is a way to change the path to legalization which would help to prevent illegal immigration, it certainly sounds like a good idea. My first cautionary reaction is, wait, can we trust bureaucrats to be apolitical in terms of what outcomes they wish to achieve with their crafting of regulations? But, then, that is always a problem with regulatory agencies.

If I understand you correctly, it seems that you are concerned with fairness, and if that can be solved, it will help to lessen illegal immigration. Are you suggesting that small companies should have the same legal ability to import aliens as large companies do? That Joe's hardware should be able to choose Sr. Lopez from Mexico to come work at his store and become a citizen? Or that neither large nor small companies should have a say on who can come here to work and eventually become a citizen?

I suppose that the first of the two options would cut down on the number of those classified as "illegal" since, by law, those chosen by all companies, including small ones, would then be considered legal. So the total number of immigrants who would have previously been considered illegal would then be pared down to those who were not sponsored by a company to come here to work. That's sort of a legal bookkeeping trick of simply moving something from one side of the ledger to the other. And it doesn't fundamentally solve the problem of why other countries can produce workers but the U.S. can't.

If it were purely a matter of fairness, I would prefer the second option. That big companies are reduced to the present status of small companies in their ability to import workers. I would make an exception, as a matter of national interest, that singular genius types, Einstein, bohr, etc., be given a special status.

But, on a more fundamental basis, I prefer the second option because it forces us to deal with the root problem of our current American culture which does not produce the needed workers. Curing that basic problem would better reduce illegal immigration than the first option as well as eliminating the current unfair system.


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