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Pete F. 11-08-2018 01:33 PM

On RBG
One would hope that the people appointed to the Supreme Court are wiser than the Democrats fears and the Republicans hopes, or vice versa.
They historically have been quite unpredictable, when you least expect it.

PaulS 11-08-2018 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1154994)
that would have been the biggest upset of the night, considering he was running in Texas :hihi:

voter fraud.

PaulS 11-08-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1154995)
No, not as big as expected (maybe more accurately, not as big as hoped),

But if I was a democrat, I'd be excited about how close the senate races are in AZ and TX. I'd also be scared to death about Ruth Bader Ginsberg's fall.

Yes, should have said "hoped" by the Dems.

Rib injuries are painful. But if they happen on a Thurs. night the pain will be much less on Monday morn. Pain pills help:buds:

Inside joke.

Pete F. 11-08-2018 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1154996)
A, you have any names to put with the "You Guys" claim?

B, I know Jim used the word "Nazi" and "Trump"in a sentence without directly using it as an adjective to describe Trump, But Jim in no way was equating the refugees to the Nazis. He was using to provide some context for the term "invasion"

Again, people wonder why the political climate is so banged up :rolleyes:

Quite a Trumpian context, do you honestly think that the 1.5 million armed Nazis attacking Poland as they bombed their airfields and attacked their naval forces were doing so with the hope of living there among the people, or with the intent of being accepted as refugees?
What happened to the Caravan, funny that after the election it became a non issue.
The Central American issues still exist, nothing will be done to solve the underlying problems that are causing the migration. Sad

The Dad Fisherman 11-08-2018 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1155000)
What happened to the Caravan, funny that after the election it became a non issue.
The Central American issues still exist, nothing will be done to solve the underlying problems that are causing the migration. Sad

Well at least THIS makes sense.

Ian 11-08-2018 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1154973)
Costa tells Trump that the caravan isn't an "invasion" because they're still not here? Since when does proximity determine whether or not a group is invading or not? When the Nazis went into Poland, were they not invaders as they were approaching? isn't it the intent of the group that determines whether or not it's an invasion, rather than proximity?

I think the act of actually entering the country is needed in order for it to be an invasion:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion

This isn’t an invasion. What Acosta was trying to say was that the administration and republican PACs used videos of people clamoring at fences and climbing over them when talking about the impending invasion by the caravan. They are hundreds of miles from our border and fences. The images they used weren’t of the caravan. Extremely misleading fear mongering in order to drive people to the polls.
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Slipknot 11-08-2018 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1154985)
You were the one quoting SD who is trying to tie Antifa to the Dems. So who is delusional? I only cut and pasted - you wrote that post.

The racists on the right seem to think they have a friend in the White House and have stated so repeatedly.


so thinking they have a friend equals Trump rolling our a red carpet? you cutting and pasting has to have a reason you cut and pasted and the reason is clearly not because you disagree. If Antifa is not on Trumps' side, they must be with those who are against Trump. Isn't that liberal logic?

I just call it like I see it.

I'll go back to work now, and Trump will keep getting things done.

PaulS 11-08-2018 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1155003)
so thinking they have a friend equals Trump rolling our a red carpet? you cutting and pasting has to have a reason you cut and pasted and the reason is clearly not because you disagree. I think he certainly doesn't dislike racists by his numerous past comments and retweets of quotes from racists. If Antifa is not on Trumps' side, they must be with those who are against Trump. Isn't that liberal logic?Not really understanding that statement but you and SD tried to tie antifa to the Dems - and it is wrong.

I just call it like I see it.So since you tried tying Antifa to the Dems. and that is not true - you are wrong and you should be glad I provided that link.

I'll go back to work now, and Trump will keep getting things done.

NM

Jim in CT 11-08-2018 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman (Post 1154996)
A, you have any names to put with the "You Guys" claim?

B, I know Jim used the word "Nazi" and "Trump"in a sentence without directly using it as an adjective to describe Trump, But Jim in no way was equating the refugees to the Nazis. He was using it to provide some context for the term "invasion"

Again, people wonder why the political climate is so banged up :rolleyes:

Lots of broken brains in the age of Trump. Thanks for clarifying what I said...

Jim in CT 11-08-2018 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1155002)
I think the act of actually entering the country is needed in order for it to be an invasion:

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion

This isn’t an invasion. What Acosta was trying to say was that the administration and republican PACs used videos of people clamoring at fences and climbing over them when talking about the impending invasion by the caravan. They are hundreds of miles from our border and fences. The images they used weren’t of the caravan. Extremely misleading fear mongering in order to drive people to the polls.
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The invasion doesn't commence until they cross the border, fine. They're invaders en route. We really need to split these hairs?

Did they invade Mexico? Sure looked like it to me. Tearing down fences, climbing over walls.

Pete F. 11-08-2018 03:39 PM

By that reasoning the "camps" that migrants, refugees or invaders are in would fall under the Geneva Convention, is that correct? And the people captured would be prisoners of war? He just opened up a whole new can of worms and I think/hope he will have a hard time getting our armed forces to commit war crimes.
This stuff has all been defined and Trump being "unconventional" is not helping.
History has shown us why diplomacy is important and less expensive than war, he can ignore history at our peril. His kids won't go to war, ours will.

Jim in CT 11-08-2018 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1154980)
Maybe 8 and you forgot the 333 local seats flipped.
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"Antifa is in no way associated with the Democratic Party and in fact Democratic leaders have publicly denounced them. What a striking contrast to Trump rolling out the red carpet for white supremacists to be a part of the Republican Party. And therein lies the vast moral divide difference between today’s Democratic and Republican parties."

Oh give me a f*cking break. The only thing you said that's not insane, is that there's a huge moral divide between the two parties. You're 100% correct on that, but not in the way you suppose.

If I was a racist, I'd be a democrat. I'd want all blacks to live the way liberals have arranged for blacks to live in places where liberals run the show, Hartford, Chicago, DC. I'd give them all just enough welfare to avoid death, but not enough to get ahead, and strip them all of their ability to provide for themselves. That's liberalism.

Sea Dangles 11-08-2018 04:26 PM

Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? What a disgrace and joke the libs have evolved into.
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Slipknot 11-08-2018 04:34 PM

They are Soros funded blackshirts comprised of useful angry idiots who are playing their part in the propaganda war to subvert our Republic.

Jim in CT 11-08-2018 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1155016)
Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

Well MSNBC and CNN keep saying it, so yes, you are supposed to believe it. And it's not the least bit stupid.

Ian 11-08-2018 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1155010)
The invasion doesn't commence until they cross the border, fine. They're invaders en route. We really need to split these hairs?

Did they invade Mexico? Sure looked like it to me. Tearing down fences, climbing over walls.

It’s not really splitting hairs... they’re not invaders until they make it to the border and then try to cross the border illegally. Until that point they’re just a migrant caravan trying to escape something.
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detbuch 11-08-2018 06:29 PM

"Ivasion" Webster definition #2: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful.

Ian 11-08-2018 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1155016)
Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? What a disgrace and joke the libs have evolved into.
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Trump HAS re-tweeted a number of white supremacists, at least one of which has been in a leadership position for the KKK.

That doesn’t mean the Klan is a republican boys club with sheets, but it does make them trump supporters in sheets, and he’s not doing a lot to distance himself from that.
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detbuch 11-08-2018 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1155026)
Trump HAS re-tweeted a number of white supremacists, at least one of which has been in a leadership position for the KKK.

That doesn’t mean the Klan is a republican boys club with sheets, but it does make them trump supporters in sheets, and he’s not doing a lot to distance himself from that.
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This "not doing enough" is a political talking point. He has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren. He moved our embassy to Jerusalem. He has renounced David Duke several times. I don't know very many politicians that have done more.

Let me ask you directly: do you believe that Trump supports the KKK? Do you think he is a white supremacist?

detbuch 11-08-2018 06:50 PM

What the Mainstream Media WON'T Tell You About The Migrant Caravan Crisis regarding who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

PaulS 11-08-2018 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sea Dangles (Post 1155016)
Are we now supposed to believe Antifa is not tied to the Democratic Party but the KKK is nothing but republicans in sheets? What a disgrace and joke the libs have evolved into.
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https://www.vox.com/2017/8/25/161890...ight-mark-bray

PaulS 11-08-2018 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1155017)
They are Soros funded blackshirts comprised of useful angry idiots who are playing their part in the propaganda war to subvert our Republic.

I guess It's not only fish that take a Hook, Line & Sinker. Got any proof of this fantasy.
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spence 11-08-2018 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulS (Post 1155034)
I guess It's not only fish that take a Hook, Line & Sinker. Got any proof of this fantasy.
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I think it’s pretty funny that since Antifa is anti fascist they must be democrats.

While white nationalists are slobbering over trump like a hound dog in heat.

Just let that sink in.
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detbuch 11-08-2018 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1155036)
I think it’s pretty funny that since Antifa is anti fascist they must be democrats.

It's not convincing to call yourself anti-fascist while acting like Nazi's and fascists.

While white nationalists are slobbering over trump like a hound dog in heat.

Just let that sink in.

So if someone slobbers over YOU that means you like that person. Just let that sink in.

detbuch 11-08-2018 07:33 PM

This must be one of those under the same umbrella groups like Antifa: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Saying that these groups under the same umbrella with Antifa are not "associated" with Democrats, but they only attack anti-Democrats is pretty close to being a distinction without a difference.

Ian 11-08-2018 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155030)
This "not doing enough" is a political talking point. He has a Jewish daughter and grandchildren. He moved our embassy to Jerusalem. He has renounced David Duke several times. I don't know very many politicians that have done more.

Let me ask you directly: do you believe that Trump supports the KKK? Do you think he is a white supremacist?

No, but I don’t think he minds being supported by them. And I think he tactfully toss a line of saying some pretty effed up stuff just to appeal to them so they’ll vote for him.

I also don’t think he’s a white supremacist, but my explanation above works here too.

Now if you ask me if I mind that our country is run by someone with such a fragile ego and cheap conscience that he’s willing to pander to these people’s darkest beliefs, then my answer is yes, that bothers me and makes me believe he’s a spineless sh$thead who will literally say or do anything to make people like him.
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Ian 11-08-2018 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155039)
This must be one of those under the same umbrella groups like Antifa: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp

Saying that these groups under the same umbrella with Antifa are not "associated" with Democrats, but they only attack anti-Democrats is pretty close to being a distinction without a difference.

There’s a lot wrong with that reasoning
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Pete F. 11-08-2018 07:57 PM

I think the truth is closer to this
From the editor of The Week
When the white nationalist accused of killing 11 people arrived at an emergency room with several bullet wounds, he shouted, “I want to kill all the Jews!” The doctor and nurse attending him were Jewish, the hospital’s president, Dr Jeffrey Cohen belongs to the tree of life congregation Bowers attacked. They tended to Bowers as they would any patient. “We’re here to take care of sick people” Cohen said. You do what you think is right.
Cohen made a point of talking to Bowers, to see what kind of person would turn a AR15 on grandfathers and grandmothers and two disabled men.
He saw not a monster, but a “very lost guy” who’d listened to the “noise” telling him that white Christian America was being invaded by Jews, by a caravan of Central Americans, by foreign vermin.
Words mean things, Cohen said, Words are leading people to do things like this.
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Ian 11-08-2018 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155031)
What the Mainstream Media WON'T Tell You About The Migrant Caravan Crisis regarding who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

Any time I get linked to a YouTube video that actually says in its description “mainstream media”, I don’t watch it... it’s a personal rule I have
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Sea Dangles 11-08-2018 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1155026)
Trump HAS re-tweeted a number of white supremacists, at least one of which has been in a leadership position for the KKK.

That doesn’t mean the Klan is a republican boys club with sheets, but it does make them trump supporters in sheets, and he’s not doing a lot to distance himself from that.
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If u don’t think antifa thinks they are affiliated with the libs then wake up. ButI am sure you can provide examples of the party trying to distance themselves.
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detbuch 11-08-2018 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1155041)
No, but I don’t think he minds being supported by them. And I think he tactfully toss a line of saying some pretty effed up stuff just to appeal to them so they’ll vote for him.

I also don’t think he’s a white supremacist, but my explanation above works here too.

Now if you ask me if I mind that our country is run by someone with such a fragile ego and cheap conscience that he’s willing to pander to these people’s darkest beliefs, then my answer is yes, that bothers me and makes me believe he’s a spineless sh$thead who will literally say or do anything to make people like him.
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So, if Antifa types vote, who do you think they vote for when it's between a Republican and a Democrat? Do you think that privately Dems would mind if they got those votes? And I don't see this extraordinary effort by Dems to discredit Antifa and to distant themselves from them. And I recall, don't remember by who, some on the left trying to justify what Antifa does.

scottw 11-08-2018 08:05 PM

pete scares me more than antifa...i hope he doesn't hear the wrong words and flip out

detbuch 11-08-2018 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1155042)
There’s a lot wrong with that reasoning
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Splain

spence 11-08-2018 08:07 PM

People here trying to equate a handful of antifa with latent and overt racism and white nationalism. Trump has you.

Perhaps we should just start tossing out bread crumbs.

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Pete F. 11-08-2018 08:11 PM

The caravan is actually pretty simple
Many people from Central America want to come to the USA
A coyote costs a lot but if you are traveling alone it is the safer way to go and does cost 5-10K
A caravan is a group of people who join together to go to the same place instead of using a coyote
Theirs no big plot here, just poor people hoping for a chance.
I don’t think everyone should just come to the USA
We need to address the issues in Central America or it will never stop.
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spence 11-08-2018 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1155051)
The caravan is actually pretty simple
Many people from Central America want to come to the USA
A coyote costs a lot but if you are traveling alone it is the safer way to go and does cost 5-10K
A caravan is a group of people who join together to go to the same place instead of using a coyote
Theirs no big plot here, just poor people hoping for a chance.
I don’t think everyone should just come to the USA
We need to address the issues in Central America or it will never stop.
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You forgot the part about them being killed if they stay home. Partially due to wars the US helped instigate decades ago.
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detbuch 11-08-2018 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian (Post 1155045)
Any time I get linked to a YouTube video that actually says in its description “mainstream media”, I don’t watch it... it’s a personal rule I have
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who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

Removed the offending words. Now you can watch it.

Pete F. 11-08-2018 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1155048)
pete scares me more than antifa...i hope he doesn't hear the wrong words and flip out

I’m hunting this weekend with some very conservative people
They are not Trumplicans at all
The end result of Trump will not be good for the Republican Party or this country
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Ian 11-08-2018 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155047)
So, if Antifa types vote, who do you think they vote for when it's between a Republican and a Democrat? Do you think that privately Dems would mind if they got those votes? And I don't see this extraordinary effort by Dems to discredit Antifa and to distant themselves from them. And I recall, don't remember by who, some on the left trying to justify what Antifa does.

Honestly, I don’t think they vote
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Ian 11-08-2018 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by detbuch (Post 1155053)
who the "migrants' actually are--they are not mostly women and children. And they are not all peaceful Hondurans and Guatemalans:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=JIfBBOv0CPg

Removed the offending words. Now you can watch it.

It’s not your words I was referring to... the video is from Judicial watch and literally says “what the mainstream media won’t tell you”

I am going out on a limb here and saying this isn’t the most unbiased source for information on this topic
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