I'm not arguing that controlled burns should be part of the solution, clearly that is sound management, but I also see the climate change in that part of the country and the terrain severely limiting the affect that will have. Consider the heat, how dry everything is and then put 70 mph winds up the face of a rugged mountainside and your controlled burns better be a mile wide.

As for beating up on Trump, IMHO the amount of empathy that guy has shown could fit in a shot glass. He's great to try to show some after the media calls him out on comments he's made; but he always seem to want to lay blame on something or somebody well ahead of any empathy shown.

My understanding is that controlled burns in CA are hard because of the climate as well as proximity to large cities that already have poor air quality much of the time. They have to evaluate all this before a burn permit is issued.
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Sounds like California is an environmental mess from the git go.

Perhaps Trump and the Trumplicans could pass an Enabling Act and then you would get some more of the fundamental things you need without those pesky constraints or naysayers holding him back, the consequences thereof are of little importance.

How about some controlled clear cutting

No, an enabling act would destroy the fundamental things on which the Constitution was written. You are really stuck on the Trump equals Hitler meme.

But Do you think Trump would have an issue with that approach?
He certainly thinks Congress should fulfill his wishes and that without him all will fail.
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Firefighters immediately pointed out errors in Trump's assertions. The Woolsey Fire started not in a forest but on a hillside near Simi Valley before spreading to suburban communities, while the Camp Fire is burning in an area thinned by fire 10 years ago. Forest management didn't cause these blazes and California is considered a leader in Forest management on private lands.

“Prescribed burns alone will not stop that, but it is a tool that we can use to reduce the effect of those large fires, . again facts dont matter

I avoid mind reading. Don't have the psychic powers. Don't know what Trump would think about an enabling act. Nor if he knows what that is. Any halfway decent advisor would tell him not to ask for such a thing. Wouldn't be prudent (as GHWBush would say}, nor possible.

But, I suspect, most Presidents would wish that they could do whatever they wanted. Several have acted that way through various unconstitutional maneuvers that they got away with. Andrew Jackson was a bit of a tyrant. Nixon was considered an imperial President by some. FDR and his administration admired the central planning of the Soviet Union as a Progressive model for government getting things done. His whole New Deal was an effective beginning of our current administrative state, which surplants Congress's duty by enacting rules that govern us. The nearly unimpeded efficiency of our federal administrative bureaucracy is a centralized authority that would be the envy of the old U.S.S.R.

L.B. Johnson was an effective bully. And Obama was fairly effective at bypassing Congress to get what he wanted done. http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/19/...on-presidency/

If Trump can successfully write illegal executive orders (those that are outside of his enumerated executive power), he will have had some solid precedents to guide him.

A buddy of mine lives out there and it was recommended but the local gov officials down voted for environmental reasons.

Cali is also growing so much with densely packed housing and water fights from neighboring states you cannot run much water.

So Spence mentions the issues with permitting controlled burns and I make an alternative suggestion about clear cutting and your response is "But Trump" and "Facts"

Today they started selling recreational marijuana in mass, I suggest you partake, it may loosen you up a bit.
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Fires can start anywhere but they will flourish in an area where it is illegal to harvest dead wood.
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Do you have any facts to back that up? I have never seen that mentioned as any of the unique reasons Calif. has forest fires.

I suspect there isn't a big demand for cord word where those fires are popping up. Around here I love to scoop up some free firewood after our Northeasters, but in some of those million dollar homes with the panoramic views; I'm pretty sure they aren't looking for wood for heat.

If you have seen the recent damage then you would realize these are not expensive homes for the most part.
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Knowledge is power.
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I think TDF said it once so now he thinks he’s all read up on the topic. Only prohibitions I’ve ever heard of are for areas under quarantine because of disease or insect infestation.
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They’ve actually done a lot of this over the last decade.
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Pls. share - that is why I asked.

I thought it had a lot to do w/the type of wood there, the hills/canyons, the wind they get, the rain in the spring which turns things green and then the veg. dies in the summer/fall due to lack of rain. The forests aren't the same as here or Norway either.

Google is your friend here.
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Pretty comical argument
Take a ride down a road in Paradise on Google maps street view or another fire area.
Then come up with some brilliant way to fireproof suburban California
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7776...7i13312!8i6656

I thought that was the type of answer I would get.

When your state government makes it damn near illegal or impossible to actually cut firewood or bring it in from another state, most people tend to use "socialized heating" where they are forever dependent on city gas, oil or electricity. When you cut your own firewood you feel more independent and less reliant on others to provide heat for your family, so it is only natural for Californians to find ways to limit or prohibit this.

You would be surprised how well the dead dried old growth wood tends to create huge flying burning ash that just loves to float down and land on houses. The more dry dead growth there is, the more fuel these fires have, and the harder it is to fight. A forest fire of mostly live growth is much slower to spread and much easier to put out, but add 20% or more of dry dead fuel and things like this fire happen.

Load your fireplace all the way to the top with green wood and chances are you wont even be able to light the damn thing, but fill it to the brim with dry wood and you will likely burn down your damn house.

They would need a lot of people who want or use firewood
The trees are not some large New England tree, some of them can take two days for a crew to take down, but for the most part they can do 20 a day and I'm not sure that includes brush removal.
This is from 2016 and the number of dead trees had more than doubled in the previous year, do you think it went down in the following two years?
Estimates by the U.S. Forest Service put the number of dead trees in California forests at 102 million, broad swaths that officials call a wildfire and public safety risk. Declaring a state of emergency last fall when the count stood at 40 million, Gov. Jerry Brown ordered state agencies to clear the hazards.

https://www.latimes.com/local/califo...129-story.html

Two years ago they had a million dead trees in California and were trying to take care of them, more trees have died in the time since.
Just clearcutting the dead trees creates another problem, which will be the next issue in the fire areas, mudslides. Calfire is pretty proactive with the funding they have and the new Cali building codes make new houses more fireproof. However that does little for the old stock of homes.
Luckily we don't have that issue in New England, though a long drought in the northern forest would create the chance for a large forest fire.
There are lots of trees dying in Vermont and other parts because people imported firewood and brought foreign pests.
https://vtinvasives.org/gallery-of-forest-pests

Huh???
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I learned it from Spence
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:rotflmao: So it's all a liberal conspiracy to enslave the people by lashing them to public utilities :rotflmao:

He doesn't have any facts because it's not true...use the Google Chris! :tm:

I did.
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