Nothing Obama did equals wht trump has done. Nothing.... :rtfm:

Zero scandals. Zero.......unless you count saluting a marine on air force 2 while holding a cup of coffee.
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And the tan suit.
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wow, zero scandals...making fun of special olympians, using the irs as a weapon against conservatives, benghazi, fast & furious. trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump. but your side is still holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.
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the us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers. but that wasn’t a scandal, no sir.

This is the problem, you’re completely dillusional. Apples and bricks are the same. Good lord.
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well i’m shocked. i kicked your azz, and instead
admitting there’s hypocrisy, you lob insults.

any chance you can ever try to support you insults? i asked nebe and pete multiple
times why i’m a fascist, they won’t answer.

i support what i say soence. when i call you a glaring, obvious, naked hypocrite, i point to very specific examples. your response is to say i’m delusional, with zero evidence.
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Benghazi was a manufactured scandal by the right... Niger four American soldiers lost their lives — (no outrage from the right)


making fun of special olympians

Obama Apologizes for Calling His Bad Bowling 'Like the Special Olympics' (in the context of a bad joke )

Donald Trump’s Worst Mocking Disabled Reporter
Trump insisted, “I didn’t know what he looked like. I didn’t know he was disabled."Trump has denied that he meant to mock the reporter, Serge Kovaleski, who has arthrogryposis, a congenital condition affecting the joints.

context used his name failing about attacking the article with a name
some apology


using the irs as a weapon against conservatives

But the russian investigation is a witch hunt??/


us government gave weapons to mexican drug dealers.
funny 2006- 2011 was only an issue with Obama ?

unwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5]

trampling on the rights of christians and catholics...

mandating health-insurance policies should cover birth-control services for women, really that's your attack christians and catholics...


holding trump to very, very different standards than you held obama to.

thats :bs: clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. your past posts and present are a clear window in to that world ...he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity


let me be clear even a good economy isn't enough,, there is nothing good Trump could do besides resign from office that could make up for the damage he has inflicted on the Nation our world standing our institutions our environment and the office of the POTUS will take decades to get the trust back if ever

the above is not imaginary its based on Trumps words and actions ..

the chasm is deep.....

It is actually pretty funny how we look at things depending on where we stand politically. While there are some folks who say we can not recover from Trump and the impact his actions have upon our standing in the world,there are just as many that felt the same way about Obama and some of the foolishness that the country endured under his leadership. If nothing else,Trump has effectively demonstrated that stupid decisions and policies are easy to reverse. Some of these incessantly whining liberals have to learn to just shut up and roll with these changes while gaining an understanding that we get the government we deserve. As long as we have guys like Wayne,whose daily mission is to wake up and literally cry because he is butt hurt, then we will be reminded as to why and how we got here.
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benghazi- other western nations and the red cross had pulled out, they saw the danger. Stephens has asked
multiple times for security which was denied. The fight lasted 13 hours and no help came. then the administration repeatedly blamed an american citizen for making a video.

which of those points did i manufacture?

why do you claim i said the russianinvestigation is a witch hunt? can you read? seriously, do you know how to read? i’ve said many times that there should be an investigation, and if he did anything wrong he should face it. is that going too fast for you? does that sound like i’m painting the investigation as a witch hunt?

Oh, obama apologizes for making fun of special olympians, which to you, meansnit never happened? so a scandal isn’t a scandal if the person apologized? wdmso, that makes all kinds of sense

on obamacare and christianity, you shouldnget some facts. the supreme court ruled that obamacare trampled on the religious beliefs of christians. these business owners were willing to provide birth control when there’s a legitimate health need ( many women have real health needs for the pill), they did not want to be forced to provide pills that are designed to be abortion-producing. the court, not me, said it was unconstitutional.

what damage has trump done, which can only be fixed by resigning? please benspecific...sires he’s a morally bankrupt reptile, so was bill clinton. just because you really reallly dislike him? i really really disliked obama, but i gave him credit when it was due, and i counted the days. i didn’t surrender my sanity like you guys.

i have no issue with the trump scandals you listed, though i don’t know why they are pertinent. i admit trump had many scandals. the point i was making, was a response to someone who said that obama had no scandals. clearly he did, and you cannot refute that by pointing to someone else’s scandals.

you say it’s not a scandal if one apologizes. unreal.

i listed obamas scandals to show his term was not scandal free, and you can’t help but go on an anti trump diatribe. you’re completely obsessed. two more years probably, hang in there.
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deep and deranged.
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"he’s not anywhere near as gross as trump.. does not equal objectivity "

What does equal objectivity, is my well-established pattern of saying good and bad things about both Trump and Obama, and usually not always) supporting my statements with actual events and results.

"clearly you hold Trump to very different standard then you held Obama.. "

We would all just love to see you explain that a bit further. I am frequently critical of Trump, deeply critical. But I'm rational when I do it, that's the difference between us. You and your fellow world travelers here, you cannot handle criticism of Obama, and you cannot handle praise of Trump. It's literally more than you can process.

I hold them to the same standards Trump has no standards .. but again you see similarities in their behaviors.. when they are not even comparable

Finding praise in Trumps is like convincing yourself that even pedophiles deserve praise for anything seen as positive . not involving the original crime

He is beyond salvation he already dug his hole with his own hands and lips and he’s got 2 more years of digging
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Jim here’s a hypothetical
Since the election take every news story the Russian investigation all the guilty pleas the lies and even his tax returns stormy and replace Trump with Obama. In his 1st year in office ... I highly doubt your responses would even be what they are now.... but my response wouldn’t change Because it’s not about the man it never has been
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Your assuming a whole lot without any basis for your assumptions.

i think it’s clear that i praise them both when they do good, and criticize both when they deserve it.

trump is as irredeemable as a pedophile? seriously? wow.
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no just an extreme example.. but if was you would praise him if he gave you what you want.. that's all

yep many felt that way about obama for very different reasons .. No we the government we deserve when individuals like yourself would rather throw stuff from the peanut gallery. and see no evil speak no evil hear no evil .. then actually pay attention

I would praise him if he helped the country, and call for his execution is he was a pedophile.

Since you think it's wrong to praise Trump when he helps people, can I ask what you are doing with your extra take-home py thanks to his tax cuts? I hope you're not using it or enjoying it, because based on your own logic, that's evil money. Can we all assume you're burning it?

I bought a camper with my extra take-home pay. My family spent 31 nights in that thing this year, and every one of them was magical. And it would likely not have happened if not for Trump and the GOP.

I can be thankful for that, and still bash him for being the morally bankrupt reptile that he is.

We COULD have had a nice guy with the same beliefs, but your side told everyone that McCain was a senile old racist, and that Romney was a heartless plutocrat who hates women. So please tell us, exactly when did the democrats decide they wanted a GOP candidate who had integrity? Because they were merciless with McCain and Romney.

"many felt that way about obama for very different reasons "

The conservative opposition to Obama was nothing like this. Where were the riots? The right responded by getting right to work and forming the tea party. And it worked. No riots. There was no large scale right-wing equivalent to Occupy Wall Street or Black Lives Matter or Antifa. None.

The entire media was absolutely in the tank for Obama except for one TV station, which 1% of the country watches on a good night, and liberals act like it's an Orwellian thing. One percent.

Your right it was nothing like this. It was all the most petty stuff - he wore a brown suit in the oval office (I think one senator called it treason) and he saluted w/a coffee cup in his other hand. A lot was based on out right lies - ie his country, his religion, etc. Made up scandals that had nothing at all to do with him - IRS.

We talked about this a few times - Antifa has NOTHING at all to do with the Dems. but bc Neo Nazis praise Trump you try to come up with a Dem. equivalant.

Let's not forget that studies have shown that Fox news watchers actually know less about news than people who don't watch any news at all. Also, their ees actually get on stage at his rallies and promote him. Pointing out the daily (hourly?) lies is not being in the tank for someone. Pointing out how the Repub. have changed on the evironment or foreigh policy or trade is not being in the tank for someone.

Let's hear more but but Obama. Remember when if anyone said that about Bush the rightys panty's got all bunched up.

You constantly say the Dems. are bad yet what the Repubs do is far worse. Saying the Dems. hate the country, treasonous, etc.

Show us the data that comes close to proving that
Another victim lie

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-sets-record/

https://sites.middlebury.edu/preside...into-the-tank/

http://markhumphrys.com/media.obama.html

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...gns-final-week

https://freebeacon.com/politics/comp...gazine-covers/

Then there's the empirical evidence...the NYT said McCain had a mistress, the media said that Romney objectified women because he kept a binder of resumes of impressive women on him. On the 2008 election night, a CNN reporter wept with joy at Obama's election, Chris Mathews with the tingle up his leg, etc...

Not everything that makes your side look bad, is a lie.

I don't lie. I don't have to. My goal isn't to always defend one side or the other, so I can happily easily embrace things that (in my opinion) make conservatives look bad, like opposition to gay marriage. When you aren't blindly married to one ideology or the other, there's no reason to lie. You are the one who needs to lie, because you can't accept any truth which doesn't paint liberalism in a favorable light. I willingly go wherever the truth and common sense take me, which is why I agree with liberals on gay marriage and the death penalty and to a lesser extent, gun control. And it's why I can say with 100% certainty, that every TV station except one, is obviously in the tank for the democrats.

Show me the data that shows that statement is true

So this response is highlighting exactly why the peanut gallery exists. I pay attention but have never made it my life mission to point out every indiscretion that occurs politically on a daily basis. However, I do have time to point out people who make fools of themselves under the guise of “making a difference.” This is you,thanks for keeping up the good work. You are party blind and you don’t even realize it,what a joke.
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Seriously Paul,? You can’t be that stupid so stop pretending you are.
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"most are blue collar and don't make what you do "

I'm, not the plutocrat you think I am. I have a white collar job, I work in a cubicle not in a fancy office, and I have a staff of two. I'm low, low level management. I'm not going to get into details, but you don't need to be making huge bucks to realize that kind of savings.

Here's a CBS story, showing that a single mom making less than 40k a year, saved over $100 a month. So your insinuation that you need to be wealthy to save what I saved, doesn't hold water.

GOD FORBID you zealots just say, "I hate Trump, but you gotta give him credit, the cuts are helping regular people."

I'm not sure it's accurate to say I'm bragging, I'm responding to the kool aid drinkers who can't admit what the actual impact of the cuts were.

"everyone else is just seeing the deficit balloon"

Bullsh*t. Almost all of us got something.

"the Repubs. cried bc Obama tried to stimulate the economy - fing hypocrites"

Not me. I give him credit all the time for helping the economy recover. Plenty of hypocrites on my side. What you fail to admit, is that there are also hypocrites on your side, how are crying about the debt, when they didn't care when Obama racked up debt as well. Plenty of hypocrisy. Not by me, I can only control me.

"Romney basically said he would never care about 47% of the country"

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT HE SAID. What he said (something like, 47% won't work so you can't help them?) was stupid, and he deserved criticism for it. But the liberal attacks began long before that idiotic statement.

"How many times do we have to remind you of that?"

Zero, because you're remembering history very wrong.

"Look at the classless, lying thing the Repubs. say about Dems"

SO you aren't denying democrats do it, you're just saying we all do it. I agree. So let's all stop pretending that only one side does it. Deal?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-the...ican-families/

Funny a blind man calling others blind . And what difference do you think you are making .. besides adding C02 to the atmosphere... You hold a lot of positions on people but nothing on policies funny how that is
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Haven't we seen repeatedly how stupid you are? I've just commented on another thread about your post. It shows your lack of intelligence. You demonstrate that constantly and I wonder why you bother posting to show people that. You're like a whiney old lady who doesn't know what to add but gets mad so she comments about people's posts w/o discussing the subject.

I think both parties do it (but the Repubs. do it more). I'll admit that but you constantly pull the victim card and claim the Dems. do it and not the Repubs.

"Trusty me I know what actuaries make - and it is more than most of the people on this forum."

Well trust me, I am me and not them. I have family needs that limit the hours I can work and which limit how high I can go. I work in a small cubicle with two kids working for me. I'm not even an AVP, I'm below that. I'm not complaining, I'm just saying that you aren't in a position to make accurate assumptions about my situation. I know what average actuaries make at my age, I'm not there for personal reasons. I posted that a woman making less than 40k is saving more than half of what I saved. So you don't need to be making a ton of money to save $200 a month.

"for most it was peanuts. The majority went to rich and corps."

I disagree it's peanuts for most. But I agree with you 100% that more should have gone to the middle class. That's a very fair thing to say.

Paul, also note that the majority of
my $200/month savings did not come from lower rates in my income bracket. i benefitted primarily from the significant expansion of child tax credits, and i have three dependent children. Maybe all of my reduction came from that?
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I have no idea. Not sure I benefit at all or how much until I do my taxes. Prop. taxes are very, very high where I live. No more mortgage deduction. We'll see.

i do know that most of
my benefit was from child tax credits. any benefit i got from lower income tax rates, was likely offset by limiting my ability to deduct the massive state/local taxes i enjoy in CT.

why no more mortgage deduction for you?
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Firstly, the tax decrease occured the same paycheck I got my work raise so I haven't really tried to figure out the impact of the 2.

I had a 20 year mortgage and paid it off a little early. I am extremely fortunate in never ever having to pay any interest other than mortgage interest.

i’d call that smart and fortunate. congratulations! One heck of an accomplishment, one heck of a milestone.
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how our cousins see Trump..


Sitting up here in Canada I am amazed how good this guy is.
You have the best health care ever......all those coal miners are back to work......the wall Mexico is paying for is marvelous.......the middle class is getting richer......the deficit is falling by leaps and bounds!!!
Best president ever and if you don't believe me ...... just ask him!!

Well this is How Americans see Canadians, so I'm not to worried. :hee:

https://youtu.be/ssCZWBtwUTI
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who gives a sh*t?
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Clearly you don't .... are you suggesting anything he said was not true