do you ever answer challenging questions? what does it say about your beliefs, that you constantly dodge?
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pete do you even know the facts? Horton was sentenced to life without parole for
murder. Some liberal idiot thought he was a good candidate for a weekend furlough program where released inmates promise that they’ll come back. well he didn’t, and while out, he raped somebody. that’s what happened, that’s exactly what happened.

do you disagree that people who think it’s a good idea to let murderers out for the weekend on the honor system, deserve criticism?

put down the kool aid, and think rationally for two seconds. just two seconds.

you look at the willie horton situation, and you aren’t bothered that a murderer was able to get a weekend pass, but you’re bothered that republicans used the event to club Dukakis with?
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It’s funny when you ask for facts and numbers for a response that’s clearly Hyperbole. But no such concern for Trumps posted claims?? Or are you just inline with his
ideas.

Creditable contributor ?? Are you ?
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I have seen you fail to recognize the obvious on countless occasions. How am I supposed to distinguish hyperbole with your track record? I am in line with SOME of his ideas,guilty. Not too sure what you mean by creditable...
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Wow thanks for all the points and counter points my mind has been changed so glad for all the posts thanks everyone. Said no one ever.

Do a little research
Here’s what Reagan said when this happened when he was governor
Under California’s program when Reagan was governor, two prisoners murdered people while out on furlough. When critics challenged the program, Reagan defended it with a vehemence that seems impossible to fathom today. “More than 20,000 already have these passes,” he said after the first murder, “and this was the only case of this kind, the only murder.” California was “leading the nation in rehabilitation,” he said. “Obviously you can't be perfect.”
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Imagine what things would look like if the GOP actually embodied RR today.
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Were the people that Reagan let out, previously sentenced to life without parole for murder? If so, guess what? He deserved to be criticized for that.

I agree you cant be perfect, and I agree we need to be humane the way we treat prisoners. But letting brutal murderers out for a weekend on the honor system? I'm sorry, you're a lunatic if you think that's a good idea.

A vague, baseless, unsubstantiated insult, from you, towards republicans? Get outa here...

How is that an insult? I used to think republicans respected RR.
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Good for her. If Trump were to say the same his constituents would erupt in applause, commending him him for not being “politically correct” and for not acting like a traditional politician, which is is why he was ultimately elected. Anyone who supports Trump and is offended by her comments is a hypocrite and most importantly, a true “snowflake.”

As a side note, Its no secret Trump has zero regard for the environment. I’ll never understand how so called “fishermen, conservationists, environmentalists, etc” can support this assclown...someone who is set on ruining the environment that we all enjoy. A truly, irresponsible, embarrassment to the Presidency if there ever was one.

My first and last post in this cesspool of a forum called Politics.
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Here’s the paragraph before the one I previously quoted
I n the mid- to late-80s, all 50 states had furlough programs. These passes allowed inmates to leave the prison for periods of time ranging from a few hours to several weeks, depending on their sentence and their behavior in prison; while in the community, they could visit family, look for work, or participate in religious activities. Almost 10 percent of state and federal prisoners received a furlough in 1987. Nationally, murderers served an average of eight years before they were paroled or commuted, so furloughs were, in the toolkit of a previous generation, an uncontroversial proposition. They offered incentives for good behavior behind bars and a good way for inmates to reacclimate to the life they would almost certainly return to outside of prison. “Use of furloughs for prisoners in the U.S. is widespread, successful and relatively problem free,” the editor of a magazine for corrections professionals told the New York Times in 1988.

When we talked to him in his office at Northeastern University, where he is a professor of politics, Dukakis said furloughs were a sensible means of protecting public safety.


MICHAEL DUKAKIS
“One of the values of a furlough program,
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Dukakis points out that one of the most liberal furlough programs at the time was the one in the federal prison system under President Reagan and Vice President Bush. And under California’s program when Reagan was governor, two
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as always, you chose not to answer my question. Horton was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. that sentence is reserved for the most brutal of murderers ( few murderers get that sentence). yet he was given a weekend pass, as long as he gave his word that he’d come back on sunday afternoon. never occurred to anyone that he might lie about that.

i will ask again, please let me know if you don’t understand the question...are you really ok with letting inmates walk out for the weekend unsupervised, when they have been convicted of murder and sentenced to life without possibility of parole.

we have to draw the line somewhere about who gets furloughed, and no one has a crystal ball, so good faith mistakes will be made. i get that. but extending this privilege to people sentenced to life without parole, is asinine. can you tell us if reagan’s program did that? not all
murderers are equal. very few get sentenced to life without parole, that is reserved for the worst of the worst.
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It’s easy enough to do the research on Willie Horton
We imprison more people than any other country by quantity or percentage
We have greater recidivism
We’re not safer
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dodged again. i did the research on horton, convicted of
murder , sentenced to life with no parole. you think we have too many murderers locked up? we should
let them go? murderers?

As to your question
I honestly don’t care what happened
“The Willie Horton ad” has been used to prevent reasonable criminal justice reform ever since it ran and has cost lives and billions
Now with privatization some people are making fortunes off the system and reform or cutting recidivism is not in their interest
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Pete you dodged the question once again like Jim said

Horton had nothing to lose committing rape or any other crime while out of prison on furlough
Life is life
If they tack on more years it is still life

Good thing he did not kill you while he was out free

Get it?

How is it ok? Not some know it all bull about recidivism
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it was used to try and
prevent brutal
murderers from getting weekend passes.

formthe third time, since you compared it to reagan, did he furlough murderers who were sentenced to life without parole? if not, or if you have no idea, why did you bring it up in the context of Horton?
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Pete is an odd duck. He thinks he is one step ahead....a real gotcha type.!
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Yes he did
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I didn’t dodge it
I said I don’t care
That ad was a political tool.
It is the textbook example of a dog whistle ad and you guys are still responding to it.
80 billion dollars a year
The highest imprisonment per capita in the world by far
10 to 1 compared to most of the G20

That add was around 30 years ago and still prevents criminal justice reform
We are not the safest country in the world, if prison was all we needed to do to be safe we should be

Sorry I’d rather live in a free society than an authoritarian one.
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me but I am not in charge

'Free' to you, is a place where people convicted of murder and sentenced to life without parole (which pretty much means your concerns about recidivism are moot) should be able to go out for the weekend, as long as they promise to voluntarily come back on Sunday night?

I'll apologize to all those Republican snowflakes whose virgin ears got upset over this use of the word.
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No Jim it’s a nation that is not driven by a mistake made more than 30 years ago that has been made into a false issue that makes reasonable criminal justice reform nearly impossible.
That does not mean make the same mistake again, but to be brave enough to take some chances.
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Apparently Trump was brave enough and took some chances and did what you refer to as nearly impossible by signing a prison reform bill just recently.

Did the Horton mistake happen 30 years before the ad was made? Or was it recent, at the time the ad was made?

That didn't get a lot of press either, but that was a bipartisan bill.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...4588094&type=3
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Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner (another really bad evil person) was largely instrumental in getting the bill going and twisting congressional arms to get it done.

got plenty of press,, not the Tump praising kind you long for..

the only thing Trump was involved in was it's signing of the bill ....

Twisting republican arms that is ...

The Willie Horton ad and the Angel Medrano ad both were run in the Bush vs Dukakis campaign by the opposing sides. Both happened prior to the campaign
The policy that allowed Horton to be released was in place prior to Dukakis’s election as governor and changed during his administration after the Horton incident.
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The only thing. Incredible. Without him, it doesn't pass. He is 1/3 of the equation, and without his influence and negotiating for it, the House and Senate would not have approved it.

If the Republican arms weren't twisted, it wouldn't have passed. Republicans controlled all three branches of government.

Maybe Trump should have had his son in law do the wall negotiation.
As I understand it Kushner not only got both houses behind criminal justice reform, but also his father in law.

For Gods sake, can you EVER just admit that someone else is right?


The federal government, controlled by the GOP, passed prison reform. is that true, or is that false?

That tact will not work Jim. It requires honesty.
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the complete abandonment of honesty, is really something to behold. it’s comoletely deranged.

god help these people
if he gets re elected somehow.
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Did I say that was not true?

Now show me a Criminal Justice reform position from the Trump Campaign?

Who pushed Trump on that issue?