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spence 01-18-2019 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1159992)
If he directed Cohen to lie to Congress and there is proof (beyond Cohen's statement). It is game over. Forget any of the other potential collusion, inauguration or host of other potential funny business. Both sides should see that.

Here’s the rub, the reporting wasn’t really about Cohen’s statement. The big deal is Mueller appearently has internal Trump Org emails and texts that are the source of the story. Cohen’s confirmation is just more on the pile.

If the story is true Trump is done. Getting 20 republican senators to cross the aisle won’t be a problem.
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Nebe 01-18-2019 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159996)
Here’s the rub, the reporting wasn’t really about Cohen’s statement. The big deal is Mueller appearently has internal Trump Org emails and texts that are the source of the story. Cohen’s confirmation is just more on the pile.

If the story is true Trump is done. Getting 20 republican senators to cross the aisle won’t be a problem.
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But her emails!!!!!!
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1159995)
One (hating him) does not preclude the need to act if he broke the law. Nor should it stop someone who doesn't hate him from acting.

i agree. i’m talking about the comparisons to hitler, the freaking out that he’s attacking our liberties, he’s a dictator, blah blah blah.
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1159998)
But her emails!!!!!!
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here’s the thing. i have said he deserves to be held accountable for his actions. who are the liberals here, who said the same about hilary? none.
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Nebe 01-18-2019 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160000)
here’s the thing. i have said he deserves to be held accountable for his actions. who are the liberals here, who said the same about hilary? none.
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That’s because we knew it was a joke. ;)
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RIROCKHOUND 01-18-2019 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1159996)
Here’s the rub, the reporting wasn’t really about Cohen’s statement. The big deal is Mueller apparently has internal Trump Org emails and texts that are the source of the story. Cohen’s confirmation is just more on the pile.

If the story is true Trump is done. Getting 20 republican senators to cross the aisle won’t be a problem.
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I agree, but until we see it 'in writing', it remains mostly based on Cohen's comments right now. It seems to be well sourced right now. I don't think anyone in Congress will act before it is laid bare in front of them.

spence 01-18-2019 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160000)
here’s the thing. i have said he deserves to be held accountable for his actions. who are the liberals here, who said the same about hilary? none.
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Hillary’s actions are in no way equal to Trump’s. Not to mention her record of public service versus his self service.
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 1160003)
That’s because we knew it was a joke. ;)
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so when comey said she acted very irresponsibly, and when people here said how serious it was ( and. it right wing nuts but neutral people
like john and tdf), and the demonstrable
lies she told ( never anything classified), that was all “a joke”. gotcha!

how about when she said she came under sniper fire, when video showed it was a peaceful ceremony? how would you describe that?
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160005)
Hillary’s actions are in no way equal to Trump’s. Not to mention her record of public service versus his self service.
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didn’t say they were equal. but they weren’t something to ignore and defend, yet that’s precisely what you did, because you like her.
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Pete F. 01-18-2019 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160006)

how about when she said she came under sniper fire, when video showed it was a peaceful ceremony? how would you describe that?
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Maybe that was her "Vietnam"

Got Stripers 01-18-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1160004)
I agree, but until we see it 'in writing', it remains mostly based on Cohen's comments right now. It seems to be well sourced right now. I don't think anyone in Congress will act before it is laid bare in front of them.

When Barr was questioned on whether he would share the report, it was clear he was going to prepare a summary and his interpretation of the report and while that is a bit concerning in light of his memo; I think even he would be forced to put those cards in front of congress. I sincerely hope we are in fact getting close to the report coming so we can all be put out of our misery.

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1160008)
Maybe that was her "Vietnam"

you can’t just say it was a terrible thing for her to do?
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spence 01-18-2019 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160007)
didn’t say they were equal. but they weren’t something to ignore and defend, yet that’s precisely what you did, because you like her.
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I’ve said many times the email thing was unwise but I don’t see how she used it for any gain. You just can’t get over it. But. But. But.
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Pete F. 01-18-2019 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160012)
you can’t just say it was a terrible thing for her to do?
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I don't care about her, she's gone
She lied

spence 01-18-2019 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1160014)
I don't care about her, she's gone
She lied

I don’t even see how you can say she lied. Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that. The others had info classified retroactively like NYT reports on drones that should have never even been classified.

Lying assumes you know you’re not telling the truth.
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Pete F. 01-18-2019 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160015)
I don’t even see how you can say she lied. Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that. The others had info classified retroactively like NYT reports on drones that should have never even been classified.

Lying assumes you know you’re not telling the truth.
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I was speaking of her claim that she was shot at, I'll stay out of the email/server argument.
Remember how many lawyer jokes there are, just three, the rest are true stories.

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160013)
I’ve said many times the email thing was unwise but I don’t see how she used it for any gain. You just can’t get over it. But. But. But.
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"I’ve said many times the email thing was unwise"

Don't be so rough on her.

"I don’t see how she used it for any gain" No one ever said she gained by it. You guys have an amazing consistent habit, when backed into a corner, of offering a gotcha! answer to a question that nobody has ever asked.

"You just can’t get over it"

I'm LONG over it, I put it completely out of my mind on election night. Nebe brought it up, not me. Again, you're having some difficulty with reality here.

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160015)
I don’t even see how you can say she lied. Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that. The others had info classified retroactively like NYT reports on drones that should have never even been classified.

Lying assumes you know you’re not telling the truth.
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"]I don’t even see how you can say she lied"

She said she handed over all the emails (except the thousands she didn't), she said she never put anything that was ever classified on there (except for those that were). You can't see it, because at the mention of her name, all the blood gushes out of your brain and heads south.

"Out of tens of thousands of email I think there were three that carried a paragraph stamp? I wouldn’t catch that."

If you can't catch the difference between an email announcing cake for someone'e retirement party, and an email with a list of names of American undercover agents, maybe you shouldn't be Sec State.

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete F. (Post 1160014)
I don't care about her, she's gone
She lied

That's not what Spence says.

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160015)
I don’t even see how you can say she lied.
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How about coming under sniper fire?

Slipknot 01-18-2019 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND (Post 1160004)
I agree, but until we see it 'in writing', it remains mostly based on Cohen's comments right now. It seems to be well sourced right now. I don't think anyone in Congress will act before it is laid bare in front of them.

Seems like it is not documented after all

Similar to that unverified dossier

And it drags on more and more
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 07:52 PM

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 08:26 PM

CNN said this
morning that the buzzfeed story is “100 percent true”.

but russia!!!
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Jim in CT 01-18-2019 08:29 PM

and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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wdmso 01-18-2019 08:53 PM

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1160036]and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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All coverage I heard or read clearly stated the story had not been coberated by other sources

Yes trump is lying about fake news .?

And your making fake claims that CNN said the buzz feed story is 100% true


This may be the smoking gun in the Russia investigation is this your 100%

wdmso 01-18-2019 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160034)
Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

Now you believe Muller . And TRuth ..... until now it's been a witch hunt and fake :tm:

Jim in CT 01-18-2019 09:22 PM

[QUOTE=wdmso;1160038]
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160036)
and Ronan Farrow is saying he had the story also, and refused to run it, because he found serious issues with the supposed sources. but it was good enough for buzzfeed and CNN.

but trump is lying when he complains of fake news.
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All coverage I heard or read clearly stated the story had not been coberated by other sources

Yes trump is lying about fake news .?

And your making fake claims that CNN said the buzz feed story is 100% true


This may be the smoking gun in the Russia investigation is this your 100%

cnn mornings show said
it was 100 percent true.

this isn’t fake news?
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spence 01-19-2019 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160034)
Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false. Sorry Spence. according to Mueller, this is fake news. not al news bashing trump is fake. but some is. because the media, like
others, cares more about bringing him down than about the truth.

if mueller’s camp is correct, which they ought to know.

It doesn’t mean it’s fake, more likely just confused. Remember there are multiple investigations. The leaks may have come from the Southern District of NY investigation and not the Mueller investigation which doesn’t have any history of leaking.
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scottw 01-19-2019 03:51 AM

Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post

Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false.

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160041)

It doesn’t mean it’s fake

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:rotf3::rotf3::rotf3::rotf3::kewl:

spence 01-19-2019 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Slipknot (Post 1160033)
Seems like it is not documented after all

Similar to that unverified dossier
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Seems like a lot of the dossier has actually been verified and even the author said it was 70 to 90 percent correct.
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spence 01-19-2019 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1160042)
Mueller's office issued a statement, saying that the Buzzfeed report that Trump ordered Cohen to lie, is false

No, if you’d bother to read that’s not what the Mueller investigation statement said.
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scottw 01-19-2019 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160043)
Seems like a lot of the dossier has actually been verified and even the author said it was 70 to 90 percent correct.
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this is hilarious on so many levels....

Jim in CT 01-19-2019 07:30 AM

Spence, it doesn’t mean it’s fake i guess. it does mean that buzzfeed and cnn cares
more about smearing trump than they cared about getting it right. they don’t like him, and instead of working to beat him fairly in the next election, they’re endlessly smearing him.

CNN is reporting today that Trump started the Chicago fire, and framed Mrs O’Learys cow.

this is all a joke. and i’m in favor of investigating the guy, but as often happens with the left, this is deranged, and contrary to the principles we were founded on. the media
isn’t looking for truth, they have already decided the desired outcome.
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Jim in CT 01-19-2019 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by scottw (Post 1160045)
this is hilarious on so many levels....

that really is
something. so they got the weather that day correct, so what if they fabricated what happened.
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Jim in CT 01-19-2019 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1160039)
Now you believe Muller . And TRuth ..... until now it's been a witch hunt and fake :tm:

oh man you’re
precious. has
Mueller ever said
Anything that people
widely didn’t believe? you’re suggesting Mueller is
lying to protect Trump? nah you’re not biased!!

what evidence could
youmpoasibly have, that buzzfeed is correct and mueller is lying? Just because you WANT that to be true, doesn’t make it true. i know how sad you are. hang in there.

oh and Roman Farrow is also lying to make Trump look good?

you are bonkers.
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Jim in CT 01-19-2019 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by spence (Post 1160041)
It doesn’t mean it’s fake, more likely just confused. Remember there are multiple investigations. The leaks may have come from the Southern District of NY investigation and not the Mueller investigation which doesn’t have any history of leaking.
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how is your explanation “more likely “ than the
notion that buzzfeed got conned by a dishonest source? what do you know, which makes that more likely? please share?

i know how hot and bothered you were at the possibilities here, and now you have to take a cold
shower. i’m sorry.
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wdmso 01-19-2019 08:30 AM

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1160040]
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Originally Posted by wdmso (Post 1160038)

cnn mornings show said
it was 100 percent true.

this isn’t fake news?
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So if you find your needle in 1 haystack .. it’s true. Like you can keep your doctor statement you present as a lie Constantly. Even though millions kept their doctor

Did Bush’s lie when he said no new taxes ? I suggest no because at that time he ment it.. then events changed

Also Miller’s Team did not say the story was not true or false. That it was not accurate now why would they frame it those Terms?
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Jim in CT 01-19-2019 08:46 AM

[QUOTE=wdmso;1160051]
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT (Post 1160040)


So if you find your needle in 1 haystack .. it’s true. Like you can keep your doctor statement you present as a lie Constantly. Even though millions kept their doctor

Did Bush’s lie when he said no new taxes ? I suggest no because at that time he ment it.. then events changed

Also Miller’s Team did not say the story was not true or false. That it was not accurate now why would they frame it those Terms?
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i don’t think obama lies about keeping your doctor, i think he was just wrong. i think he believed it when he said it.

you really don’t know how to make an argument. it doesn’t matter how many were able to keep their doctor...all that matters, is whether or not a
meaningful number we’re unable to keep their doctor. it’s like the wall, you think you can prove the wall doesn’t work by stating that it won’t stop everyone, when no one has ever said it will stop everyone.

you are correct that muellers statement leaves some questions unanswered. but roman farrow, a diehard liberal, refused to run the story because he doubted the sources. so it’s not just the mueller statement.

the press is, in effect, attempting a coup. they hate trump, they can’t bear to wait until the next fair election, so they decided to do everything they can to get him booted. obviously he’s not an innocent bystander, there’s smoke there that needs a fair investigation. but there’s also plenty of smoke with hilary, and the media would
not be doing this, not to this extent, if she had won.

the media isn’t seeking truth. they are seeking a way to get rid of trump. it’s not supposed to work that way. the country needs, really needs especially with a guy like trump, a free and fair and honest press. not one that attacks his wife’s wardrobe or christmas decorations.
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Got Stripers 01-19-2019 09:10 AM

If the story is false, shame on them for fanning the flames, it’s not like the fires of desent needed more fuel. We aren’t going to get all the truth until mueller is ready to report his findings.
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Slipknot 01-19-2019 09:13 AM

What this guy is pointing out - is exactly why the Democrats are raising holy hell about the shutdown. They realize a good portion of their voting base just lost their jobs.

Sooner or later a lot of these Federal employees are going to HAVE TO go find other jobs just to keep going. The Nightly News references this every single night when it constantly finds a new family that "only has a week of savings".

Trump must have heard somebody say "starve the beast" - and actually figured out what it meant.


https://tteclod.wordpress.com/2019/0...he-resistance/
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