wait, progressive socialism did it, not the free
market economy and capitalism?
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Yes Jim, can't argue with a sheep, in his mind freedom is just a word

You are correct

I suggest stable government's are a better choice than any fence

Also a fence or wall affects people and traffic traffic both ways

BUT the current wall is being sold as the only soulution even they have attempted walk that back ,,, walls and fences have there place in any fix

Not sure what the best way to fix the problem is,but a fence or wall of sorts is a good place to start.
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Actually opening the government is a good place to start.
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sure, let’s remove any leverage the potus has to get the house to budge. that’ll help
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And the other side says
Let’s remove any leverage the House has
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i don’t follow. the house isn’t demanding the wall. they don’t need leverage, they aren’t asking for anything. endingbrhe shutdown serves the house, it doesn’t hurt them.
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You don’t think this would be over with a permanent daca fix
Trump is not allowed to do that
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Making Americans suffer for something they don’t want. Great.
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I'm pretty sure Americans want secure borders...

we are here because (1) the gop didn’t do their job the last two years, AND because (2) for political reasons, the democrats are saying barriersndont work, when they supported them
in 2006 and 2013.

i am as upset as you about impacted workers. the difference between you and i, is that i can honestly say it’s both sides, because clearly it is. you, as always, are blinded by that which doesn’t serve your agenda.

i wonder what you had to say about the shutdown that occurred under obama, i’m sure THAT was the fault of congress. right?
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Chicken meet egg
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The GOP was trying to defund existing law and kill the ACA. Have you noticed all these big shutdowns all all when republicans hold the house?
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Not at all. The house and senate have both agreed to spending that has a lot of increased security funding. It’s Trump’s tantrum and Mitch’s inability to lead that’s holding everything up.
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Perspective Jeff.
Look it up
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The perspective here is pretty simple. Trump thinks he can negotiate via chaos. Even his own party doesn’t know what he’s going to do. Jeb was right.
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That is your perspective. Very good.
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It’s very good and correct.
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no it’s
not. the kids were standing at the lincoln
memorial
waiting for their bus when the adults confronted them. white kids, attending a pro life rally, wearing MAGA hats. a liberals dream target. too good
to pass up.
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First you’re responding to the wrong thread, second they weren’t attacked by liberals. Have you read a single article about the event?
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Herein lies the problem. A perspective is unique to each individual. There is not really a right or wrong. Similar to an opinion. Nebe has categorized perspective into good/bad or correct/wrong. There is no other option Nebe, either you are with us or against us? Get some coffee man.
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Who holds the House for this one?
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ummm....racism!!
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Shutdown began in December there
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Lame
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You do understand that Republicans though they lately seem to be a tribe, are a political party, and not a race.
Just checkin

Pete is showing a pulse...you know if they are Republicans then they certainly must be racist. Get out your handbook or have Wayne send you a copy.
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Why? Total control and we still have a shutdown. Dems agree to repub spending and still a shutdown. Splain this on to me please.
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Here is a decent explanation of where the Government is at from The Week

How can you tell Trump isn't serious about making a deal? Last year, panicked that the Trump administration was going to start deporting DREAMers — undocumented immigrants brought to the United States as children — en masse, Democrats offered terms that lopsidedly favored Trump's position. They offered $25 billion in wall funding in exchange for a long path to citizenship for the DREAMers and new restrictions on family reunification.

Egged on by immigration hardliners, Trump scoffed at the offer, then proceeded to decisively lose a branch of government to his critics. After a destructive, economically ruinous month-long standoff, he consulted exclusively with allies, and on Saturday offered a crummier deal (basically the BRIDGE Act, which contains no path to citizenship at all, as well as massive new restrictions on asylum) to a much-empowered adversary.

Democrats are having none of it.

Imagine trying to sell your house and someone offers you $250,000 for it. Thinking you could do better, you say no. Then the market crashes, your crib bleeds out half its value, and now you decide to call up the prospective buyers and tell them you'll accept no less than $300,000. That's the Trump shutdown strategy in a nutshell.

The splaination is that Trump wants a wall, and despite approving a wall in 2006 and 2013, the dems are suddenly opposed to such a racist, immoral structure.' The agreement to spending is meaningless without the wall.

The GOP, for their part, had two years to get it done and chose not to.

Both sides showing the worst of politics. Nebe had it right, we need to toss them out and elect people who know how to get things done. But we won't, because we care how rich, pretty, and famous they are.

This ain't a one-sided show, much as you want it to be.

Why do you keep saying things that aren’t true?
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you can’t differentiate between what’s true, and what serves your agenda. they didn’t support the same exact thing he wants to build, but they supported expansion of physical barriers.
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That’s not the same as subscribing to Trump’s campaign promise.

Regardless, funding looks to be a moot issue now :hihi:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...HE3Ffe8PxxvEYk
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The bottom line is the $20 trillion national debt promises to spiral ever higher with Republicans controlling both Congress and the White House.

“Republicans gave up on caring about deficits long ago,” bemoaned Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, who was elected in the 2010 tea party class.

But as always it’s the never their fault
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oh, you’re a deficit hawk now. where was that fiscal conservatism from 2009-2016?

i’ve said
many times the gop
is partly to blame for this ( had two years to do it), and i’ve also said that the gop is hypocritical when it comes to debt and deficits. Paul
is correct.
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not at all just pointing out the conflict in the GOP mind

lots of hypocrisy on this issue within the gop. lots.
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